Charlie Kirk Shot in the Neck in Utah (Update: Shooter Alt-right links)
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Hmm, good in principle but how long can you keep it up?absolutely!
but now we come to the real issue
we are so divided as people, calling each other names, Nazis and idiots
and it seems that every government and MSM are intentionally stoking these emotions in us
how can we ever reconcile these deference among us?
is it possible
most of us have been posting here for years, some more than others
and we never convince anyone of anything
and it's getting worse all the time
I would like to hear if anyone has any ideas where we can start to change for better?
How about a list of things that we could agree on?
Killing other people is wrong.
The rule of law should be respected.
Humans deserve equal human rights.
Politicians should also respect the law.
Is that too extreme a starting point?
How many qualifications would you need to put on each of those?
It is well and good to say that we need to talk and hear each other, which I agree with.
But bottomline is that this is an issue of values and there are certain values or positions that you just cannot debate or discuss.
As Noam Chomsky said: "By accepting the presumption of legitimacy of debate on certain issues, one has already lost one’s humanity.".
Case in point, how do you "hear and listen" to someone who does not want to see certain immigrants in their country because of their race, ethnicity, culture or religion? That is a deep rooted bias that cannot be debated.
Debates usually need a baseline (such as the ones you highlighted) but such a baseline can only be established with the debaters who are honest about their intentions.
With a MAGA voter whose primary issues are race, gender and sexual orientation, such deep rooted biases cannot be resolved even if they superficially agree to the baselines you proposed.
Anyway, I am not the one with solutions. But, I read this article recently on defeating populism.
Am sure one could poke holes in it but felt it fits what you are discussing:
Three minutes of the Dead Guy lying and slandering blacks and being a massive fucking racist.
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The 'Pastor' misspelled profit.
Probably cookin' up some biscuits and corn likker fer communion come Sunday.
Without a mandatory beard. Pretty much the only difference.
You realize that the Director of National Intelligence is a woman right?..As well the Secretary of Education.
Also the Secretary of the Treasury is gay...
I mean c'mon...
I see the post subject has changed. What's new about the shooter? (I have not read much of the post to be honest, it's going way too fast).
That's you.
But there are a wide gamut of opinions on that amongst the MAGA cohort many of which are impossible to come to a common ground on.
Which is what I was trying to highlight.
And when we point out radical Islam and terrorism, he accuses us of Islamophobia
You've done your fair share...There's already enough interesting members who have been banned on here lately..Unless somebody is threatening you stop reporting members it looks weak.
Sure, some issues can't be debated.I don't know Frank, but God knows that I'm trying now
I think that these points are valid and that most of agree on
the problem is how do we deal with issues that we do not agree on
can we still be civil and debate them or
is it like Kautilya posted above
some issues can not be debated?
For instance 'never again', in my world support of genocide is a red line and when you cross that you are in the same group as nazis.
That doesn't seem like it should be a hard one, but there is a genocide that is still going on.
Other ones should be easy.
Free speech and the freedom to protest about issues in a democracy?
All this Charlie Kirk talk made me watch a lot more of his stuff.
12:40 on MAGA being a cult, the girl didn't stand a chance, especially when the part about her family comes up near the end. lol
12:40 on MAGA being a cult, the girl didn't stand a chance, especially when the part about her family comes up near the end. lol
