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mburner

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“Orgasm is not the measure of a sexual encounter. Pleasure is the measure of a sexual encounter.”
---Emily Nagoski, a sex educator and author of the book "Come Together", from an article in the NYTimes about the "orgasm gap" for hetero women
 

xmontrealer

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“Orgasm is not the measure of a sexual encounter. Pleasure is the measure of a sexual encounter.”
---Emily Nagoski, a sex educator and author of the book "Come Together", from an article in the NYTimes about the "orgasm gap" for hetero women
Mostly agree, but the many of the civvie ladies I have known did not like not getting "the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow" after being truly aroused...
 

mburner

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Mostly agree, but the many of the civvie ladies I have known did not like not getting "the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow" after being truly aroused...
And why is that you suspect? Was arousal and your (human) touch pleasure enough, in keeping with the sentiment of the quote? I suppose to maintain this quote as a truism, pleasure must be expressed and given/received honestly and open, with no pretense or presumption. In 1960s terminology: Let it all hang loose.
 

xmontrealer

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And why is that you suspect? Was arousal and your (human) touch pleasure enough, in keeping with the sentiment of the quote? I suppose to maintain this quote as a truism, pleasure must be expressed and given/received honestly and open, with no pretense or presumption. In 1960s terminology: Let it all hang loose.
I remember, those many years ago, when just making out was fun. "Blue balls" was often part of the equation, but release was not expected, and I did not resent the lack of release.

I took care of business when back at home by myself. (a cold shower wouldn't do it lol)

When in my 30's and 40's I did not feel sex was totally satisfactory without release at the end, but of course accepted it without any expression of my frustration, because it was the woman who would control how far we went, and I respected her right to that decision.

Even when expected to, I was not able to bring every woman to an orgasm during the kind of sex where they were obviously hoping for one. Some of them stayed silent, but I could tell they weren't satisfied, and some actually expressed it by seeming pissed off or by trying to tell me how to get them off.

I think most sexually mature adults fully expect an orgasm when they are engaged in activities that usually result in one, and are frustrated when it doesn't happen.

That said, and in the spirit of the OP @mburner's post, I usually enjoyed the entire experience, from extended foreplay, through actual intercourse of a reasonable duration, and sometimes, especially when I became a "one and done" guy, was actually disappointed when I did cum, because that meant the fun was over... (except for the post-coital cigarette, milk, and cookies)
 
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Main reason is because sexual encounter ends with a orgasm - otherwise pleasure can be achieved by many things - playing guitar, eating a fine steak, sipping of the finest cocktails, enjoying a cold IPA, riding my Scout-Sixty or listening to any of the Rush offerings, none of those ever gave me a release as powerful as a sexual encounter does - @xmontrealer nailed it.
 
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“Orgasm is not the measure of a sexual encounter. Pleasure is the measure of a sexual encounter.”
---Emily Nagoski, a sex educator and author of the book "Come Together", from an article in the NYTimes about the "orgasm gap" for hetero women
It is if you are paying for it.
 
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