France To Recognize The Palestinian State. Vive la France
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This has always been the grand dilemma of international relations, hasn't it?
Invading and breaking up countries because you oppose what they are doing has a pretty shitty track record. (Humanitarian intervention in general has a shitty track record.)
Not interfering is also a problem.
Society has never really figured it out to anyone's satisfaction.
I'm not sure if a genocidal regime has ever been broken up just for being a genocidal regime, has it?
What action do you want to see?
All this heart breaking stuff on babies starving and genocide is bull. Fake photos and staged videos.
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How does France condemning this murder make Israelis worse terrorists than Hamas?
(Or is it the murder itself you are speaking of?)
I think Frank himself pointed out that Canada's recognition is predicated on things many Palestinians find unacceptable.
That's been an issue for a while. All the recognitions of Palestine as a state aren't recognizing the same thing exactly.
I can't believe Carney's stupidity in announcing Canada's recognition of the State of Palestine 2 days prior to the Trump trade talks deadline.
How could he have not been aware that Trump would use that as an excuse, along with the mostly BS fentanyl excuse, to halt the negotiations and impose the 35% tariffs on Canada effective today?
And with conditions for Canada's recognition of Palestine as a state that have a snowball's chance in hell...
He couldn't wait until next week?
As my dad used to say about people he considered to be idiots, Carney doesn't know if he's punched or bored...
How could he have not been aware that Trump would use that as an excuse, along with the mostly BS fentanyl excuse, to halt the negotiations and impose the 35% tariffs on Canada effective today?
And with conditions for Canada's recognition of Palestine as a state that have a snowball's chance in hell...
He couldn't wait until next week?
As my dad used to say about people he considered to be idiots, Carney doesn't know if he's punched or bored...
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Absolutely. I'm not advocating for more killing, or the total destruction of a country or people.
What would really be best is the US stopping the genocide and allowing a Nuremberg series of trials, hopefully keeping the story in the press for a decade alongside massive restitution.
The cracks are showing in the US, but trump will never stop Netanyahu. So it may have to be the international pressure that's only now starting to move.
I've friends who have worked in Rwanda since, countries can recover. But this is covering 3/4 of a century's worth of shite and the recovery from this will be massive and lengthy.
France declaring that settler attacks are terrorism means they admit Israelis are committing terrorism.
Israeli settlers aided by the IDF have committed 414 attacks on Palestinian civilians, which means they have committed far more terrorism this year than Hamas.
B'Tselem keeps a tally, but you know this.
Do you think that settler attacks on Palestinians are terrorism?
Carney's terms include only Palestinians disarming.
Putting terms on the victims of genocide but not the perps is wrong.
Do you not agree?
Who would conduct these trials and how would the US stop the genocide?
You just said you want the US to allow the arrest of an entire government.
How is that not going to be an invasion if Israel doesn't cooperate?
There's a perfect example.
Rwanda was not overthrown by outside forces and put on trial.
So?
France has been criticizing the attacks for years now.
Biden even put sanctions on specific groups and the US has called the attacks terrorism. (https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...-israeli-settler-attack-terrorism-2023-08-06/)
I don't see why you think this is some kind of game changer.
The vast majority of them, yes. (I'm sure some are smaller, petty shit that humans do.)
The Rwanda government was overthrown by outside forces. Rwandan refugees in Uganda invaded Rwanda. Like Palestinian refugees.
Not true.
Return the hostages, disband Hamas, ban them from government, and demilitarize.
There are lots of people who just consider this "surrender on Israel's terms and we will give you a symbolic victory with no practical value".
Given the RPF were refugees who returned as an insurgency, I don't really view it that way, but that's a fair critique on your part.
It can be viewed as the government being overthrown by Uganada.
You do seem to enjoy pointing out how hard it will be to bring Israel to justice for what you have admitted is genocide.
They did their own, Gacaca courts.
Can you imagine Israeli leaders agreeing to a court of Palestinians and Israelis?
Providing justice will be hard, as their attacks on the ICC show.
Your quote shows its true, only Palestinians must demilitarize.
Not the perpetrators of apartheid, the illegal occupation and the genocide.
Why are there no terms on the side committing genocide and illegally occupying the state Canada is to recognize?
Which brings up the issue of the Palestinian refugees.
Do you agree that Israel should also be held to honouring their Right of Return?
There already is a two-state solution - Jordan and Israel as per the 1948 UN agreement. The world can't afford to have Gaza returned to Hamas control or the forever wars will continue.
Egypt grabbed Gaza and Jordan grabbed the West Bank in 1948. They didn't care about the sovereignty of Palestine. People born in the territories had Egyptian or Jordanian passports and citizenship and no one objected. Egypt used Gaza and Jordan used the West Bank as a jumping-off points in the wars against Israel, losing each time. Israel retook Gaza and the West Bank in 1967 after one of the wars.
Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005 in a land-for-peace deal, only to be attacked again on October 7, 2023. Egypt built a huge fence to keep the Gazans out and Jordan won't accept any. Neither will any of the surrounding nations because of the chaos that ensured when they took in Palestinian refugees.
Gaza can't be returned to Hamas control or the cycle will begin anew. There will be another attack against Israel, hostages will be taken, and the forever wars will continue.
Palestinians in the West Bank should return to Jordan, and those in Gaza should return to Egypt. The two-state solution reached in 1948 should take primacy. Problem solved.
Egypt grabbed Gaza and Jordan grabbed the West Bank in 1948. They didn't care about the sovereignty of Palestine. People born in the territories had Egyptian or Jordanian passports and citizenship and no one objected. Egypt used Gaza and Jordan used the West Bank as a jumping-off points in the wars against Israel, losing each time. Israel retook Gaza and the West Bank in 1967 after one of the wars.
Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005 in a land-for-peace deal, only to be attacked again on October 7, 2023. Egypt built a huge fence to keep the Gazans out and Jordan won't accept any. Neither will any of the surrounding nations because of the chaos that ensured when they took in Palestinian refugees.
Gaza can't be returned to Hamas control or the cycle will begin anew. There will be another attack against Israel, hostages will be taken, and the forever wars will continue.
Palestinians in the West Bank should return to Jordan, and those in Gaza should return to Egypt. The two-state solution reached in 1948 should take primacy. Problem solved.
