Canada to recognize Palestinian Statehood in Sept

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

So when they enact laws that take away say LGBTQ rights and kill them you are fine with it? You don't believe in orimoting human rights abroad.

That's a very isolationism attitude.

I dont have any issues promoting human rights abroad and I believe we should do so, to create awareness.
But ultimately we do not govern there and therefore LGBTQ rights in foreign nations aren't something we are able to control or influence.
You should be more worried about the right wing's descent into fascism right here in Canada and the US (where LGBTQ rights are being threatened via executive orders and malicious rhetoric).

 

[Butler1000]

I dont have any issues promoting human rights abroad and I believe we should do so, to create awareness.
But ultimately we do not govern there and therefore LGBTQ rights in foreign nations aren't something we are able to control or influence.
You should be more worried about the right wing's descent into fascism right here in Canada and the US (where LGBTQ rights are being threatened via executive orders and malicious rhetoric).

I worry over both. I don't need to cherry pick.

Have you ever considered that Islam is RIGHT WING?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I worry over both. I don't need to cherry pick.
Have you ever considered that Islam is RIGHT WING?

Islam is not right wing or left wing. It is a religion.

 

[Uwauwa]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-canada-recognize-palestinian-state-conditions-1.7597525

Good, Fuck Israel to HELL

Carney too, is a virtue signaling idiot.

Anyway, good luck with palestine elections.

 

[Butler1000]

Islam is not right wing or left wing. It is a religion.

So then Evangelical Christian politicians are not right wing?

 

[nottyboi]

So then Evangelical Christian politicians are not right wing?

No they are not. The are insane. But they pander to Evangelical Christians because they are the ones that are dumb enough to believe shit like the rapture and that that god wants them to support the slaughter of women and children.

 

[Butler1000]

No they are not. The are insane. But they pander to Evangelical Christians because they are the ones that are dumb enough to believe shit like the rapture and that that god wants them to support the slaughter of women and children.

And when you look at Sharia Law, and the punishments for transgressions within, that are implemented in Muslim Majority nations, do you think they are sane?

 

[WyattEarp]

I find it interesting someone would ask an irrelevant question, based on a flawed premise in the first place.

It's actually a very simple question related to Palestine, Afghanistan and 9/11 all subjects brought up in the thread. Almost everyone here understands the question and its relevance.

There's a certain freedom here in expressing and being open about your opinions that I know personally. People who are on social media that hold back on their true opinions and are not candid are generally trying to manipulate social media forums.

PS- If you can somehow explain how a direct question about Global Jihad relates to a flawed premise, I think we would all be happy to hear the argument beyond some cursory misdirection.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

So then Evangelical Christian politicians are not right wing?

Muslims can be right wing, or left wing.
Islam is just a religion.
Christianity is just a religion.
Christians can be right wing or left wing.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

It's actually a very simple question related to Palestine, Afghanistan and 9/11 all subjects brought up in the thread.

It is completely unrelated and is a bad faith question based on a false premise.

 

[Butler1000]

Muslims can be right wing, or left wing.
Islam is just a religion.
Christianity is just a religion.
Christians can be right wing or left wing.

What do you call it when Evangelical Christains attempt to implement biblical law into secular law? Say the 10 commandments in schools? Abortion laws?

 

[nottyboi]

And when you look at Sharia Law, and the punishments for transgressions within, that are implemented in Muslim Majority nations, do you think they are sane?

For the most part they are unjust and excessive punishments. The only thing I kinda agree with in Sharia law that comes to mind is the concept of blood money. Meaning the perp has a chance to face the victims and offer compensation to avoid or reduce punishment. Also blaming women for rape etc is whacked. But still, the rapture? That is whacked This is not a who is right and who is wrong scenario What is being done in Gaza mass murder and genocide.

 

[WyattEarp]

It is completely unrelated and is a bad faith question based on a false premise.

Please elaborate in detail.

I realized that when you brought up 9/11 in this thread I detected a very certain zeal. So I asked you about your view of Global Jihad.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

What do you call it when Evangelical Christains attempt to implement biblical law into secular law? Say the 10 commandments in schools? Abortion laws?

Right wing.
I'd say that about any one, Muslims included who implement religious law.
However, what Muslims do in their own countries isn't something any of us can control.
Not is it related to anything that is being discussed in this thread and is solely a distraction.
My original post was that Nottyboi's post that Israel propped up Hamas is not untrue, and I followed that up by saying that meddling in other countries often times comes back to hurt your own citizens.
This has nothing to do with LGBTQ rights that you have digressed to.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Please elaborate in detail.

I realized that when you brought up 9/11 in this thread I detected a very certain zeal. So I asked you about your view of Global Jihad.

No.
My original post, regarding 9/11 was perfectly clear in plain English and no further elaboration or clarification is required.
Your quip that you magically detected a certain zeal, is purely a bad faith trolling and gaslighting tactic that I am not going to engage with.

 

[WyattEarp]

Right wing.
I'd say that about any one, Muslims included who implement religious law.
However, what Muslims do in their own countries isn't something any of us can control.
Not is it related to anything that is being discussed in this thread and is solely a distraction.
My original post was that Nottyboi's post that Israel propped up Hamas is not untrue, and I followed that up by saying that meddling in other countries often times comes back to hurt your own citizens.
This has nothing to do with LGBTQ rights that you have digressed to.

Of course, LGBTQ rights has to do with the overarching theme of what makes a better world. Okay, you want the Israelis removed, curtailed or whatever. What kind of place do you think Palestine should be? You are almost certainly validating a place where LGBTQ people are persecuted.

Shaq, you are cornering yourself. Saying it's not relevant only shows your disregard for people who don't meet your criteria for worthiness. I think there is a middle ground where you can be anti-U.S., anti-Israel, but realize the Palestinian people in aggregate and their leaders are uncivil and not liberal in many matters.

 

[WyattEarp]

No.
My original post, regarding 9/11 was perfectly clear in plain English and no further elaboration or clarification is required.
Your quip that you magically detected a certain zeal, is purely a bad faith trolling and gaslighting tactic that I am not going to engage with.

Stop whining about some nonexistent aggression and answer the original and frankly very simple question.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Of course, LGBTQ rights has to do with the overarching theme of what makes a better world. Okay, you want the Israelis removed, curtailed or whatever. What kind of place do you think Palestine should be? You are almost certainly validating a place where LGBTQ people are persecuted.

Yes LGBTQ rights make for a better world.
So you have automatically conceded then that Trump's executive orders and rhetoric targeting LGBTQ people is regressive and make the world a worse place.
I spoke nothing of curtailing or removing Israelis and this seems to be your fabrication.
I said Palestinians deserve self determination and that is a position that Canada and 140+ countries support.
If your argument now is that a place where LGBTQ people could potentially be vilified, should not have a right to self determination, then your earlier concession regarding the US seems to question the validity of the United States itself!
Wyatt, your own arguments have you cornered here because while you talk about LGBTQ rights in Palestine, you hypocritically support anti-LGBTQ policies in your own homeland.
This is once again a bad faith argument from you.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Stop whining about some nonexistent aggression and answer the original and frankly very simple question.

Are you in support of white supremacy, Islamophobia and racism?
I ask because I detect a certain zeal in your support for Trump's mass deportation policies as well as your disdain for Palestinian self determination.

 

[Butler1000]

For the most part they are unjust and excessive punishments. The only thing I kinda agree with in Sharia law that comes to mind is the concept of blood money. Meaning the perp has a chance to face the victims and offer compensation to avoid or reduce punishment. Also blaming women for rape etc is whacked. But still, the rapture? That is whacked This is not a who is right and who is wrong scenario What is being done in Gaza mass murder and genocide.

I agree. It is a genocide. But let's not forget the other side of the coin on this.

I truly believe it has reached the point of no return. That both sides are hell bent on the other's destruction. And peace is not going to happen.