Some Advice To Mark Carney

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You say your comments are about Canada then immediately make a comparison to the US? So no, your comments are not about Canada. Your comments include Canada.

DEI is a disingenuous virtue signal that's actually racist and discriminatory and causes more harm than good. The US is just smart enough to figure that out sooner and come to terms with a failed woke strategy and is fixing it. No wonder the list of major companies abandoning it is growing.

You admire a company that keeps their DEI policies intact while actually ripping people off for basic food items like bread. The people that affects most are marginalized groups which are typically non-white.

That's how deep your hypocrisy runs. One day you will come to terms with it and thank me for helping you see the light.

No, I did not compare Canada to the US.
I said that DEI is alive and well in Canada and that your statement about the state of DEI in Canada is actually a false claim based on what is happening in the US.
You can cry about DEI all you want but DEI is necessary for fairness and equality and the majority of Canadians see it that way.
Which is why your dear leader even with his MAGA lite rhetoric lost his own seat that he held for 21 years. lmfao.
I don't admire or hate Loblaws.
They have DEI policies, which is good. They price fix, that is bad.
But those two things are unrelated.
I am using Loblaws, as an example to further point out that your statement that DEI is going away in Canada is false.
Stick to the topic on hand instead of engaging in your trademark mental gymnastics to justify false claims.

 

[Frankfooter]

Someone needs to clean up the total failure in Ontario.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1932823469382566266

 

[Skoob]

No, I did not compare Canada to the US.
I said that DEI is alive and well in Canada and that your statement about the state of DEI in Canada is actually a false claim based on what is happening in the US.
You can cry about DEI all you want but DEI is necessary for fairness and equality and the majority of Canadians see it that way.
Which is why your dear leader even with his MAGA lite rhetoric lost his own seat that he held for 21 years. lmfao.
I don't admire or hate Loblaws.
They have DEI policies, which is good. They price fix, that is bad.
But those two things are unrelated.
I am using Loblaws, as an example to further point out that your statement that DEI is going away in Canada is false.
Stick to the topic on hand instead of engaging in your trademark mental gymnastics to justify false claims.

Shaquille: " Every Canadian government should actively pursue DEI policies as most Canadians do not aim to take after Nazism like our southern neighbours have. "

You say you didn't compare Canada to the US, but that's exactly what you did! Stop lying.

You fell on your face with Loblaws as well. You prefer a company impose DEI policies yet don't care that they are negatively impacting visible minorities with price fixing. Ironic and hypocritical.

Hiring someone based on the colour of their skin in order to satisfy a quota is racist.
Hiring someone based on the colour of their skin rather than hiring the best qualified person is disingenuous and racist.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Shaquille: " Every Canadian government should actively pursue DEI policies as most Canadians do not aim to take after Nazism like our southern neighbours have. "

You say you didn't compare Canada to the US, but that's exactly what you did! Stop lying.

You fell on your face with Loblaws as well. You prefer a company impose DEI policies yet don't care that they are negatively impacting visible minorities with price fixing. Ironic and hypocritical.

Hiring someone based on the colour of their skin in order to satisfy a quota is racist.
Hiring someone based on the colour of their skin rather than hiring the best qualified person is disingenuous and racist.

You are falsely claiming that DEI is going away in Canada based on what's happening in the US.
I pointed out to you that this isn't the case because we did not elect Nazis like the Americans did.
That isn't a comparison.
A comparison would entail a detailed breakdown of all attributes of a certain topic highlighting differences. In this case DEI programs.
That isn't what I did.
I pointed out the current state of affairs that you misrepresented and lied about.
Try a reading comprehension class and stick to the topic.
Also the price fixing is unrelated to the topic of this discussion and that is just your trademark mental gymnastics to distract when you get caught with your foot in your mouth.
You pointed out several corporations that are not even the largest employers here.
Loblaws is. And I pointed out that they have a DEI program that disproves your claim.
And DEI is not hiring based on quota.
That is just the MAGA crybaby version of DEI they like to spread false information about.

 

[Skoob]

You are falsely claiming that DEI is going away in Canada based on what's happening in the US.
I pointed out to you that this isn't the case because we did not elect Nazis like the Americans did.
That isn't a comparison.
A comparison would entail a detailed breakdown of all attributes of a certain topic highlighting differences. In this case DEI programs.
That isn't what I did.
I pointed out the current state of affairs that you misrepresented and lied about.
Try a reading comprehension class and stick to the topic.
Also the price fixing is unrelated to the topic of this discussion and that is just your trademark mental gymnastics to distract when you get caught with your foot in your mouth.
You pointed out several corporations that are not even the largest employers here.
Loblaws is. And I pointed out that they have a DEI program that disproves your claim.
And DEI is not hiring based on quota.
That is just the MAGA crybaby version of DEI they like to spread false information about.

I see how your poor grasp of the English language has once again bitten you in the ass and your only defense is accusing others of lying.

Shaquille: "I pointed out to you that this isn't the case because we did not elect Nazis like the Americans did.
That isn't a comparison."

That is actually a perfect example of a comparison. So you fell on your face again and ignored my recommendation to take an ESL course.

And to further add to your failure count about diversity quotas, you should educate yourself:

Shaquille: "And DEI is not hiring based on quota."

Diversity quotas are specific numerical targets set to ensure representation of various demographic groups in education, employment, or other institutional settings.
https://library.fiveable.me/key-terms/civil-rights-civil-liberties/diversity-quotas

Diversity quotas are one of the strategies that businesses can and do use to set a requirement for a certain number of employees to be from a certain demographic/minority group.
https://www.engageemployee.com/blog/should-we-still-have-diversity-quotas-in-2024

Canada Research Chairs Program, which is supposed to provide prestigious multi-year grants to highly competitive researchers across Canada. Only, it can hardly be called competitive, as the program is bound by strict diversity quotas.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ja...ersity-quotas-federal-research-executive-says


Have you failed enough for one day?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I see how your poor grasp of the English language has once again bitten you in the ass and your only defense is accusing others of lying.

Shaquille: "I pointed out to you that this isn't the case because we did not elect Nazis like the Americans did.
That isn't a comparison."

That is actually a perfect example of a comparison. So you fell on your face again and ignored my recommendation to take an ESL course.

And to further add to your failure count about diversity quotas, you should educate yourself:

Shaquille: "And DEI is not hiring based on quota."

Diversity quotas are specific numerical targets set to ensure representation of various demographic groups in education, employment, or other institutional settings.
https://library.fiveable.me/key-terms/civil-rights-civil-liberties/diversity-quotas

Diversity quotas are one of the strategies that businesses can and do use to set a requirement for a certain number of employees to be from a certain demographic/minority group.
https://www.engageemployee.com/blog/should-we-still-have-diversity-quotas-in-2024

Canada Research Chairs Program, which is supposed to provide prestigious multi-year grants to highly competitive researchers across Canada. Only, it can hardly be called competitive, as the program is bound by strict diversity quotas.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ja...ersity-quotas-federal-research-executive-says


Have you failed enough for one day?

Yet your poor reading comprehension and willful ignorance means you fail to grasp that the topic of the discussion is DEI programs that you lied were going away in Canada
Not political ideology between the ruling governments in the US and Canada.
I did not compare DEI programs between the US and Canada.
So stop trying to distract and move goalposts which you routinely do when caught with your foot in your mouth.
So the only focus of the discussion is your erroneous and false claim that DEI programs were going away in Canada, which I already proved to be false.
And no, Diversity quotas and DEI programs are not the same thing.
They can be related, but DEI programs are things like racial sensitivity trainings, women in business networking events, wholistic culture and process change in the organization etc.,
Diversity quotas are numerical targets that differ from one organization to the other.
You need to learn a thing or two about topics you discuss or challenge.
Otherwise you will end up humiliating yourself yet again as you did in the other thread.

 

[Skoob]

Yet your poor reading comprehension and willful ignorance means you fail to grasp that the topic of the discussion is DEI programs that you lied were going away in Canada
Not political ideology between the ruling governments in the US and Canada.
I did not compare DEI programs between the US and Canada.
So stop trying to distract and move goalposts which you routinely do when caught with your foot in your mouth.
So the only focus of the discussion is your erroneous and false claim that DEI programs were going away in Canada, which I already proved to be false.
And no, Diversity quotas and DEI programs are not the same thing.
They can be related, but DEI programs are things like racial sensitivity trainings, women in business networking events, wholistic culture and process change in the organization etc.,
Diversity quotas are numerical targets that differ from one organization to the other.
You need to learn a thing or two about topics you discuss or challenge.
Otherwise you will end up humiliating yourself yet again as you did in the other thread.

I already proved multiple times you are indeed comparing the US to Canada. I used your own quotes ffs. Give it up already. You failed that one.

Diversity programs are actually going away in Canada. Just because US companies located here are getting rid of them doesn't mean they are not going away in Canada. Those companies are here and employ Canadians. What part of that causes you confusion?

Diversity quotas are actually part of DEI policies. That's what the "D" stands for.

You would know that if you weren't panicking about looking stupid again. Which you are.

btw just because you were a DEI hire doesn't mean you should think you will be unemployed soon. But you probably will be. Sorry.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I already proved multiple times you are indeed comparing the US to Canada. I used your own quotes ffs. Give it up already. You failed that one.

Diversity programs are actually going away in Canada. Just because US companies located here are getting rid of them doesn't mean they are not going away in Canada. Those companies are here and employ Canadians. What part of that causes you confusion?

Diversity quotas are actually part of DEI policies. That's what the "D" stands for.

You would know that if you weren't panicking about looking stupid again. Which you are.

btw just because you were a DEI hire doesn't mean you should think you will be unemployed soon. But you probably will be. Sorry.

No. I will not playing along with your distractions and red herrings.
The focus of the discussion is your LIE that DEI programs in Canada are going away.
I already proved that you lied and showed you how the largest employers, in both public and private sectors in Canada still had DEI programs and were actively pursuing them.
Also, yes I said that Diversity quotas and DEI are related, but they are not the same.
You attempted to paint DEI programs as solely consisting of quotas and I just showed you that DEI programs span a wide gamut of things that include policies, procedures and hiring practices.
You failed on both counts so give it up already instead of humiliating yourself over and over again.

 

[Skoob]

No. I will not playing along with your distractions and red herrings.
The focus of the discussion is your LIE that DEI programs in Canada are going away.
I already proved that you lied and showed you how the largest employers, in both public and private sectors in Canada still had DEI programs and were actively pursuing them.
Also, yes I said that Diversity quotas and DEI are related, but they are not the same.
You attempted to paint DEI programs as solely consisting of quotas and I just showed you that DEI programs span a wide gamut of things that include policies, procedures and hiring practices.
You failed on both counts so give it up already instead of humiliating yourself over and over again.

They are indeed going away. What part of that causes you pain and confusion? What does "largest" employers have to do with it? It's the quantity of companies that matters.

I didn't paint DEI programs solely as quotas. I highlighted that they are harmful and racist due to quotas being part of them.

You should get your employer to fund an ESL course for you before they start firing all the DEI hires.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

They are indeed going away. What part of that causes you pain and confusion? What does "largest" employers have to do with it? It's the quantity of companies that matters.
I didn't paint DEI programs solely as quotas. I highlighted that they are harmful and racist due to quotas being part of them.
You should get your employer to fund an ESL course for you before they start firing all the DEI hires.

The majority of the Canadian workforce, works for these largest employers.
Consequently a majority of Canadian workers are subject to DEI policies.
A majority of Canadian companies also have DEI programs or Diversity targets in some way shape or form.
Most importantly the federal, provincial and municipal governments actively push DEI.
So whether it is quantity of companies or quantity of workers impacted by DEI, the net result of it is that DEI programs in Canada are alive and well.
So if a couple of American corporations rollback DEI programs, it doesn't impact Canada in any significant way.
And even with American corporations, some of the biggest ones still pursue DEI policies. I gave a few examples.
Yes you resorted to talking about Diversity quotas the moment DEI was brought up and you didn't know what DEI programs even meant.
And diversity quotas as I mentioned are not racist.
The only ones crying that they are racist are the MAGA crybabies.

 

[Skoob]

The majority of the Canadian workforce, works for these largest employers.
Consequently a majority of Canadian workers are subject to DEI policies.
A majority of Canadian companies also have DEI programs or Diversity targets in some way shape or form.
Most importantly the federal, provincial and municipal governments actively push DEI.
So whether it is quantity of companies or quantity of workers impacted by DEI, the net result of it is that DEI programs in Canada are alive and well.
So if a couple of American corporations rollback DEI programs, it doesn't impact Canada in any significant way.
And even with American corporations, some of the biggest ones still pursue DEI policies. I gave a few examples.
Yes you resorted to talking about Diversity quotas the moment DEI was brought up and you didn't know what DEI programs even meant.
And diversity quotas as I mentioned are not racist.
The only ones crying that they are racist are the MAGA crybabies.

"A couple..." ?? Any idea how many Canadians these companies employ? Those are just US companies. Now add others like Toyota, Nissan, etc...
DEI programs are racist. When hiring is based on the colour of someone's skin as one of the "diversity targets"...that's racist.
It's funny how you now acknowledge diversity quotas where you pretended they didn't exist in your prior post. Nice try.

• Amazon
• AT&T
• Bank of America
• BlackRock
• Boeing
• Citigroup
• Chipotle
• Deloitte
• Disney
• Ford
• General Motors
• Goldman Sachs
• Google
• John Deere
• Harley-Davidson
• Lowe's
• McDonald's
• Meta
• Paramount
• PBS
• Pepsi
• Starbucks
• State Street
• The Smithsonian Institution
• Target
• Tractor Supply
• Uber
• Victoria's Secret
• Walmart
• Warner Bros. Discovery

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

"A couple..." ?? Any idea how many Canadians these companies employ? Those are just US companies. Now add others like Toyota, Nissan, etc...
DEI programs are racist. When hiring is based on the colour of someone's skin as one of the "diversity targets"...that's racist.
It's funny how you now acknowledge diversity quotas where you pretended they didn't exist in your prior post. Nice try.

• Amazon
• AT&T
• Bank of America
• BlackRock
• Boeing
• Citigroup
• Chipotle
• Deloitte
• Disney
• Ford
• General Motors
• Goldman Sachs
• Google
• John Deere
• Harley-Davidson
• Lowe's
• McDonald's
• Meta
• Paramount
• PBS
• Pepsi
• Starbucks
• State Street
• The Smithsonian Institution
• Target
• Tractor Supply
• Uber
• Victoria's Secret
• Walmart
• Warner Bros. Discovery

None of those are the biggest employers in Canada. Some of them probably don't even have operations in Canada.
Their primary operations, employment and business are all in the US. Stop lying and give it up.
See below for the largest private sector employers in Canada. They all have DEI policies in some way shape or form.
Same with the public sector.
Once again you show your ignorance by saying DEI programs are hiring programs. They are not.
They span a wide gamut of things.
I did not pretend Diversity quotas did not exist.
I said Diversity quotas are not racist because the hiring is based on qualifications.
They just look for those qualifications amongst minority groups. That is still a meritocracy.
You can continue being a MAGA snowflake and keep crying about it.
But you will keep losing elections. So you want push this narrative, be my guest. Just get ready for a 5th liberal term.

https://www.financecharts.com/screener/biggest-private-employers-country-ca

 

[Skoob]

None of those are the biggest employers in Canada. Some of them probably don't even have operations in Canada.
Their primary operations, employment and business are all in the US. Stop lying and give it up.
See below for the largest private sector employers in Canada. They all have DEI policies in some way shape or form.
Same with the public sector.
Once again you show your ignorance by saying DEI programs are hiring programs. They are not.
They span a wide gamut of things.
I did not pretend Diversity quotas did not exist.
I said Diversity quotas are not racist because the hiring is based on qualifications.
They just look for those qualifications amongst minority groups. That is still a meritocracy.
You can continue being a MAGA snowflake and keep crying about it.
But you will keep losing elections. So you want push this narrative, be my guest. Just get ready for a 5th liberal term.

https://www.financecharts.com/screener/biggest-private-employers-country-ca

What exactly are you accusing me of lying about? Is that your usual distraction tactic?
I showed you a long list of companies that have a presence in Canada. True.
They employ Canadians. True.
They are scrapping their DEI programs. True
All you have provided is Loblaws (a untrustworthy company) and the government. That's it. No wonder you are stuck on number of employees which is irrelevant.

Hiring is not based on qualifications if a company needs to hire a number of people who are visible minorities. "Diversity targets". They're real...I showed you proof and references. You ignored them.

You said: "And DEI is not hiring based on quota."
And then you said: "I did not pretend Diversity quotas did not exist."

Are you off your medication?

Still feel like failing today?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

What exactly are you accusing me of lying about? Is that your usual distraction tactic?
I showed you a long list of companies that have a presence in Canada. True.
They employ Canadians. True.
They are scrapping their DEI programs. True
All you have provided is Loblaws (a untrustworthy company) and the government. That's it. No wonder you are stuck on number of employees which is irrelevant.

Hiring is not based on qualifications if a company needs to hire a number of people who are visible minorities. "Diversity targets". They're real...I showed you proof and references. You ignored them.

You said: "And DEI is not hiring based on quota."
And then you said: "I did not pretend Diversity quotas did not exist."

Are you off your medication?

Still feel like failing today?

You lied that DEI is going away in Canada. This is fundamentally untrue.
DEI is actively pursued by the Canadian Federal, Provincial and Municipal governments. This is true.
The largest employers in Canada, both in the public and private sectors, who employ the MAJORITY of the Canadian workforce pursue DEI. This is also true.
The long list of companies you gave me, were American corporations, some of which probably dont even have Canadian operations, and when they do, have a minor presence in Canada relatively speaking, and employ a minority of Canadian workers, all things considered.
Their impact on DEI in Canada is therefore negligible.
So your assertion that DEI is going away in Canada, based on the goings on in the US is fundamentally a lie and a misrepresentation of reality.
On the topic of what constitutes DEI - DEI is a comprehensive set of programs that include training, networking opportunities, forums, professional groups and hiring practices.
So yes, my statement that DEI is not hiring based on quota is accurate.
I never said diversity quota hiring policies did not exist, so my second statement is also accurate.
Basically your definition and understanding of DEI is fundamentally wrong.
If hiring practices include diversity hiring based on quotas that is also good.
Hiring quotas don't mean qualifications are ignored.
There are plenty of qualified people amongst minorities and the focus is on hiring those qualified people.
Since you want to push an unintelligent MAGA narrative, you oversimplified DEI, to misinterpret it as merely hiring based on quotas and wanted to lie that DEI is going away in Canada to cope with the fact that your ideology was completely trashed by the Canadian citizenry.
So grow up and stop humiliating yourself repeatedly.

 

[Skoob]

You lied that DEI is going away in Canada. This is fundamentally untrue.
DEI is actively pursued by the Canadian Federal, Provincial and Municipal governments. This is true.
The largest employers in Canada, both in the public and private sectors, who employ the MAJORITY of the Canadian workforce pursue DEI. This is also true.
The long list of companies you gave me, were American corporations, some of which probably dont even have Canadian operations, and when they do, have a minor presence in Canada relatively speaking, and employ a minority of Canadian workers, all things considered.
Their impact on DEI in Canada is therefore negligible.
So your assertion that DEI is going away in Canada, based on the goings on in the US is fundamentally a lie and a misrepresentation of reality.
On the topic of what constitutes DEI - DEI is a comprehensive set of programs that include training, networking opportunities, forums, professional groups and hiring practices.
So yes, my statement that DEI is not hiring based on quota is accurate.
I never said diversity quota hiring policies did not exist, so my second statement is also accurate.
Basically your definition and understanding of DEI is fundamentally wrong.
If hiring practices include diversity hiring based on quotas that is also good.
Hiring quotas don't mean qualifications are ignored.
There are plenty of qualified people amongst minorities and the focus is on hiring those qualified people.
Since you want to push an unintelligent MAGA narrative, you oversimplified DEI, to misinterpret it as merely hiring based on quotas and wanted to lie that DEI is going away in Canada to cope with the fact that your ideology was completely trashed by the Canadian citizenry.
So grow up and stop humiliating yourself repeatedly.

I'm not sure how many more times I need to cut/paste your own statements to prove you are flip/flopping because you just keep reinventing what you said so it's useless and serves as a testament to your failure.

If hiring practices include diversity, that is actually NOT a good thing because it overlooks potential candidates that are more qualified and introduces bias based on skin colour.

If the most qualified happens to be a visible minority then they should get the job. But that's not what happens. Hiring someone or giving them preferential consideration based on skin colour is racist.

The government in Canada is only 3 employers: federal, provincial and municipal. That's only 3 DEI policies for 3 organizations. Doesn't matter how many people they employ.

Shaquille: "And DEI is not hiring based on quota."
also
Shaquille: "I never said diversity quota hiring policies did not exist"

You seem confused in your failure.


And while we're at it let's dispell your belief that the government employes significantly more people than American companies based in Canada:

Google search: number of Canadian government employees at all levels

• Federal Public Service:
  In the most recent data, the federal public service, including the core public administration and separate agencies, had 367,772 employees as reported by the Treasury Board of Canada.
  
  
• Provincial and Territorial Governments:
  Provincial and territorial governments employ a significant number of people, with Statistics Canada reporting 1,321,572 in 2022.
  
  
• Municipal Governments:
  While exact figures vary, CUPE estimates 170,000 members in the municipal sector. This doesn't encompass all municipal employees, as many are part of other organizations.

So that's approx 1.8 million people in total that work for all levels of Canada's government.


Google search: number of Canadians employed by American companies in Canada

In 2023, U.S. corporate affiliates employed 1.66 million Canadians, representing 9.4% of the total employed workforce in Canada. This is a significant number, demonstrating the substantial impact of U.S. companies on the Canadian job market. In fact, U.S. companies are the largest foreign employer in Canada, with their employment exceeding that of the United Kingdom and France.


So it looks like the government employs about the same number of people that American companies do in Canada.
Hardly the majority you are hanging your whole argument on.

Had enough failing for one day?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I'm not sure how many more times I need to cut/paste your own statements to prove you are flip/flopping because you just keep reinventing what you said so it's useless and serves as a testament to your failure.

If hiring practices include diversity, that is actually NOT a good thing because it overlooks potential candidates that are more qualified and introduces bias based on skin colour.

If the most qualified happens to be a visible minority then they should get the job. But that's not what happens. Hiring someone or giving them preferential consideration based on skin colour is racist.

The government in Canada is only 3 employers: federal, provincial and municipal. That's only 3 DEI policies for 3 organizations. Doesn't matter how many people they employ.

Shaquille: "And DEI is not hiring based on quota."
also
Shaquille: "I never said diversity quota hiring policies did not exist"

You seem confused in your failure.


And while we're at it let's dispell your belief that the government employes significantly more people than American companies based in Canada:

Google search: number of Canadian government employees at all levels

• Federal Public Service:
  In the most recent data, the federal public service, including the core public administration and separate agencies, had 367,772 employees as reported by the Treasury Board of Canada.
  
  
• Provincial and Territorial Governments:
  Provincial and territorial governments employ a significant number of people, with Statistics Canada reporting 1,321,572 in 2022.
  
  
• Municipal Governments:
  While exact figures vary, CUPE estimates 170,000 members in the municipal sector. This doesn't encompass all municipal employees, as many are part of other organizations.

So that's approx 1.8 million people in total that work for all levels of Canada's government.


Google search: number of Canadians employed by American companies in Canada

In 2023, U.S. corporate affiliates employed 1.66 million Canadians, representing 9.4% of the total employed workforce in Canada. This is a significant number, demonstrating the substantial impact of U.S. companies on the Canadian job market. In fact, U.S. companies are the largest foreign employer in Canada, with their employment exceeding that of the United Kingdom and France.


So it looks like the government employs about the same number of people that American companies do in Canada.
Hardly the majority you are hanging your whole argument on.

Had enough failing for one day?

Largest Employers
Your numbers are wrong. Canada wide, the federal, provincial and municipal governments employ approx. 20 to 25% of all workers. That is ~4-5M.
And they are not 3 organizations because there is more than one province and there is more than one municipal governments.
As usual you fail in grade school math.
Then there are the Canadian private sector employers, such as Loblaws who employ the majority of the rest.
The American employers you listed, either don't have significant operations in Canada (For example, Boeing has 1600 employees in Canada as opposed to 175K+ in the US), or they do not have operations at all.
So their impact on DEI is negligible.
Going by your own numbers in your post, only 9% of Canadians are employed by American corporations and not even 100% of those corporations have done away with DEI. 91% of Canadians therefore are not employed by US corporates or their affiliates.
So your claim that DEI is going away in Canada, is a lie and does not reflect reality.
It does reflect a discombobulated, confused mind trying to cope with your repeated failures, both ideologically and in debate here, and the humiliations you subject yourself to on a daily basis.
DEI
DEI programs span a wide gamut of initiatives as I mentioned in my previous post.
Hiring practices including quotas can a part of DEI programs, but not necessarily.
Meaning a company may not have hiring quotas but they could pursue other initiatives such as training, networking and so on.
You oversimplified it to frame DEI as "quota based hiring" to push your own crybaby MAGA narrative that Caucasians are suffering racial discrimination, when none of that is actually happening.
Diversity and inclusion programs such as racial sensitivity training, networking groups etc are good.
Diversity hiring practices either via quota or via directionally correct targets to increase representation of minorities in the organization are also good.
None of these ignore qualifications of the candidates.
As I mentioned there are plenty of qualified candidates in every demographic.
There is nothing wrong in focusing on a minority demographic to pick qualified candidates in order to increase representation.
Caucasian candidates compete regularly with everyone else for a majority of hiring positions.
A small minority of quotas where equally qualified candidates are picked from a smaller group, is not discrimination.
Only crybaby MAGA snowflakes take issue with this.
Infact your dear leader lost his own seat pushing this narrative. lmfao.

Had enough humiliating yourself for one day?

 

[Skoob]

Largest Employers
Your numbers are wrong. Canada wide, the federal, provincial and municipal governments employ approx. 20 to 25% of all workers. That is ~4-5M.
And they are not 3 organizations because there is more than one province and there is more than one municipal governments.
As usual you fail in grade school math.
Then there are the Canadian private sector employers, such as Loblaws who employ the majority of the rest.
The American employers you listed, either don't have significant operations in Canada (For example, Boeing has 1600 employees in Canada as opposed to 175K+ in the US), or they do not have operations at all.
So their impact on DEI is negligible.
Going by your own numbers in your post, only 9% of Canadians are employed by American corporations and not even 100% of those corporations have done away with DEI. 91% of Canadians therefore are not employed by US corporates or their affiliates.
So your claim that DEI is going away in Canada, is a lie and does not reflect reality.
It does reflect a discombobulated, confused mind trying to cope with your repeated failures, both ideologically and in debate here, and the humiliations you subject yourself to on a daily basis.
DEI
DEI programs span a wide gamut of initiatives as I mentioned in my previous post.
Hiring practices including quotas can a part of DEI programs, but not necessarily.
Meaning a company may not have hiring quotas but they could pursue other initiatives such as training, networking and so on.
You oversimplified it to frame DEI as "quota based hiring" to push your own crybaby MAGA narrative that Caucasians are suffering racial discrimination, when none of that is actually happening.
Diversity and inclusion programs such as racial sensitivity training, networking groups etc are good.
Diversity hiring practices either via quota or via directionally correct targets to increase representation of minorities in the organization are also good.
None of these ignore qualifications of the candidates.
As I mentioned there are plenty of qualified candidates in every demographic.
There is nothing wrong in focusing on a minority demographic to pick qualified candidates in order to increase representation.
Caucasian candidates compete regularly with everyone else for a majority of hiring positions.
A small minority of quotas where equally qualified candidates are picked from a smaller group, is not discrimination.
Only crybaby MAGA snowflakes take issue with this.
Infact your dear leader lost his own seat pushing this narrative. lmfao.

Had enough humiliating yourself for one day?

Shaquille: "Diversity hiring practices either via quota or via directionally correct targets to increase representation of minorities in the organization are also good."

So now you're saying hiring based on quotas actually exists?
Lol! You are the gift that keep on giving! I don't even have to try to make you fall on your face over and over!


My numbers are not wrong and at least I provided a reference to where they came from.
3 levels of government are 3 employers.
Toyota has dealerships in every province...do I count them as multiple employers for that reason?

Most Canadians don't support DEI hiring so you are in the minority and this is another example that indicates support for it is dwindling...


The poll found that 57% of Canadians disagree with diversity, equity and inclusion hiring practices, a sentiment that is surprisingly even more pronounced in Canada than in the United States.
https://tnc.news/2024/12/04/majority-canadians-oppose-dei-hiring-poll/

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

So now you're saying hiring based on quotas actually exists?
The poll found that 57% of Canadians disagree with diversity, equity and inclusion hiring practices, a sentiment that is surprisingly even more pronounced in Canada than in the United States.
https://tnc.news/2024/12/04/majority-canadians-oppose-dei-hiring-poll/

DEI
I explicitly said that hiring quotas do exist in some cases, but DEI programs are not "hiring quotas" as they span a wide gamut of initiatives.
So what are you even going on about here?
This poll suggest differently and it is actually a trusted pollster, from a more recent poll in 2025, right before elections.
This lines up with the shellacking the electorate delivered to Pierre and cements the point I am making.

What do Canadians (and Americans) actually think about DEI? - Abacus Data

%

abacusdata.ca

Those who say DEI has a positive impact on their lives tend to be the groups DEI policies are designed to help. These are:

• Younger Canadians: 47% (vs the 35% average)
• Women: 38%
• And those who identify as a visible minority (55%, even higher for minority women)

And those who say DEI policies hurt people like them tend to be middle-aged (45-59), particularly middle-aged men, and those who do not identify as a visible minority (22%).

There is however more agreement that DEI policies have a net positive impact on society overall. 51% of Canadians agree with this, 25% say they have no impact, and 24% say they have a net negative impact on our society.

Largest Employers
Yes, your numbers on public sector employers were wrong.
And yes you'd have to include all public sector employers in Canada which would be all cities, provinces, municipalities, territories and the federal government.
I have seen other sources with higher numbers but here is one.

Public sector employment has increased by nearly three-quarters of a million. Meanwhile, productivity has cratered to 2015 levels

thehub.ca

Between 2015 and 2023, Canada’s public sector employees grew by at least 722,700, or 20 percent, from 3.5 million to 4.2 million, with 2021 seeing the greatest annual increase of 291,800 public sector employees.
As a share of total employed, between 2015 and 2023 public sector employees increased from 19.7 percent to 21.1 percent.

 

[Skoob]

DEI
I explicitly said that hiring quotas do exist in some cases, but DEI programs are not "hiring quotas" as they span a wide gamut of initiatives.
So what are you even going on about here?
This poll suggest differently and it is actually a trusted pollster, from a more recent poll in 2025, right before elections.
This lines up with the shellacking the electorate delivered to Pierre and cements the point I am making.

What do Canadians (and Americans) actually think about DEI? - Abacus Data

%

abacusdata.ca

Largest Employers
Yes, your numbers on public sector employers were wrong.
And yes you'd have to include all public sector employers in Canada which would be all cities, provinces, municipalities, territories and the federal government.
I have seen other sources with higher numbers but here is one.

Public sector employment has increased by nearly three-quarters of a million. Meanwhile, productivity has cratered to 2015 levels

thehub.ca

DEI includes diversity quotas. Part of the same policies and those policies influence who is hired.
If you say they now exist, then you are basically admitting that hiring based on the colour of someone's skin is acceptable. That is racist.

I first made you look like an idiot when you said you were not comparing Canada to the US, and now you provide a poll that compares Canada to the US. Mr. Flip Flop!

btw considering you are indeed comparing Canada to the US and lied that you were not, your poll even says this:

Canadians vs Americans
The views of our American counterparts are not that distant from our own when it comes to general trends but there are some notable differences. 37% of Americans say DEI policies help people like themselves (35% among Canadians). 40% say they have no impact and 23% say they hurt people like themselves. All nearly identical to the views of Canadians.


So based on the numbers in your poll, there are more people who believe DEI policies either have no impact or negative impact (40% + 23%), compared to those you believe they are positive (37%).

Thanks for proving my argument and for falling on your face again.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

DEI includes diversity quotas.

Good, so you are getting it now.
Yes, DEI is not just "diversity quotas" as you previously tried to frame it.
Diversity quotas may be a part of DEI programs, but not always.
The organization I work for has DEI but we don't have quotas.
I provided a trusted pollster with conclusions from 2025 regarding CANADA.
The original topic of discussion is also Canada.
So there is no further interpretation needed other than the poll conclusion, which is below:
51% of Canadians (which is a clear majority) agree that DEI policies (which include hiring quotas) are a net positive on society. Case closed.

There is however more agreement that DEI policies have a net positive impact on society overall. 51% of Canadians agree with this, 25% say they have no impact, and 24% say they have a net negative impact on our society.

Had enough humiliating yourself for the day or do you want to keep face planting and giving yourself a concussion?