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Hoping for ‘Decarbonized’ Oil Defies High School Chemistry, Climate Advisor Tells Carney

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Prime Minister Mark Carney stood accused of peddling embarrassing misinformation this week after the PM declared his government’s definition of “nation-building” projects might include “decarbonized” oil.

During their meeting in Saskatoon on Monday, Carney and provincial/territorial premiers began work on a list of natural resource and infrastructure megaprojects that might be subject to a fast-tracked review process that is raising alarm among many First Nations and in the environmental assessment community. Carney said the group would refine what should count as priority projects over the summer months, adding that as “private proponents become aware of the opportunity here, we’re going to see more projects coming forward.”

At a closing news conference after the meeting, Carney listed several projects that might make the first ministers’ priority list, including the deeply troubled Pathways Alliance carbon capture and storage hub and an oil pipeline to the northwest coast. In his statement, he said “decarbonized” barrels of oil would be “within the broader context of national interest.”

“Yes, there’s real potential there,” he told media. “It took up a good deal of our time in discussions with potential to move forward on that. If further developed, the federal government will look to advance it.”

That drew an immediate response from University of British Columbia climate scientist Simon Donner, co-chair of the federal Net Zero Advisory Body, who told the Toronto Star it’s misleading to suggest fossil fuels can be burned without emitting the greenhouse gas emissions that are causing climate change.

“There is no such thing as decarbonized oil and gas,” Donner said. “Oil contains carbon. It is high school chemistry. And [it emits] carbon dioxide when they’re used.”

Donner added: “The government is going to embarrass itself by using such industry and marketing speak.”

Adam Scott, executive director of Shift Action for Pension Wealth and Planetary Health, said it fell to Donner to “state the obvious in response to misinformation” from the Prime Minister. “Nothing about this fact-check is political. It’s just a basic statement of reality,” Scott wrote on LinkedIn.

“No matter how much anyone wants it, it’s simply not possible to ‘decarbonize’ literal chains of hydrocarbons produced and sold for combustion,” he added. “Bolting carbon capture projects to oil and gas production projects can’t remove the imperative to phase them out of our energy system in order to stabilize our climate. Building new oil and gas pipelines directly undermines climate commitments and blocks our path to addressing the crisis. New export pipelines either lock in higher climate-wrecking emissions, or quickly become stranded assets. No amount of political context changes this.”

Janetta McKenzie, director of oil and gas at the Calgary-based Pembina Institute, noted that climate pollution from oil and gas production increased 70% between 2005 and 2023, while most of the rest of the economy began cutting emissions. In March, the latest federal emissions inventory put the increase for oil sands at 143%.

“With questions about when the Pathways project could come online, McKenzie said policies like carbon pricing and regulations to limit emissions are needed if high levels of production can continue without blowing Canada’s effort to hit its emissions targets over the next decade,” the Star writes.

 
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“There is no such thing as decarbonized oil and gas,” Donner said. “Oil contains carbon. It is high school chemistry. And [it emits] carbon dioxide when they’re used.”

Climate skeptics and deniers are deemed science deniers by climate sheeple.
What would they make of the scientific illiteracy of climate leader Carney?
 

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“There is no such thing as decarbonized oil and gas,” Donner said. “Oil contains carbon. It is high school chemistry. And [it emits] carbon dioxide when they’re used.”

Climate skeptics and deniers are deemed science deniers by climate sheeple.
What would they make of the scientific illiteracy of climate leader Carney?

you think the pipelines are for oil? think again
 

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The pipelines once in place will be employed to transport crude
oil or possibly decarbonized crude oil if Carney can manage to
dupe climate sheeple voters. If Carney's pipeline project is ever
questioned by climate activists like David Suzuki, Steven Guilbeault
and their ilk, whatever purpose building the pipeline is for will be
secondary to its environmental and climate impact.
 

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Buzz words for the masses of NPC. Here's a fun fact kiddos, modern life is impossible without oil. Even if you stop using it to fuel cars it's still needed for everything ranging from the lid on your Starbucks soy latte, to your smartphone you are incapable of putting down, to your electric car, to the roads you drive your electric car on, to the dong your wife uses to peg you with.

Saying we need to get rid of oil is essentially saying we need to go back to medieval times. Only the smoothest of smooth brains think this is a possibility. The real problem humanity faces is running out of oil before a replacement is invented/discovered
 

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Buzz words for the masses of NPC. Here's a fun fact kiddos, modern life is impossible without oil. Even if you stop using it to fuel cars it's still needed for everything ranging from the lid on your Starbucks soy latte, to your smartphone you are incapable of putting down, to your electric car, to the roads you drive your electric car on, to the dong your wife uses to peg you with.

Saying we need to get rid of oil is essentially saying we need to go back to medieval times. Only the smoothest of smooth brains think this is a possibility. The real problem humanity faces is running out of oil before a replacement is invented/discovered
Straw man arguments.

We have replacements and its not about ending all oil use and plastics, its about lowering CO2 emissions so you don't kill your kids.

 

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enlighten us
what are the pipelines for if not for oil or gas ?
With Carney in charge one important political consideration
in making the decision over the pipeline project is to safeguard
the PM's reputation of a climate warrior. Hence the deception
of building the pipeline to transport decarbonized oil.

Oil or gas transport aside another purpose of proceeding with the
pipeline project could be for Carney to flush his climate credentials
down the toilet. If I were Carney I would tell my climate sheeple
voters something along the line of: ".....I didn't want to approve the
pipeline but Donald Trump made me do it...."

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Can Carney keep up with his climate credentials?

Canadians have taken to the polls with Liberal leader Mark Carney winning by a narrow margin. How will the result impact the country’s agenda for investing in the energy transition?

Mona Dohle
29.04.2025

Canadian politics have undergone a dramatic U-turn over the past year. Last year, Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre was comfortably ahead in the polls. Now, former Bank of England governor Mark Carney has won the election by a narrow margin, amid a backdrop of controversial comments from US politician Donald Trump suggesting that Canada should become the 51st American state—remarks which appear to have backfired on Poilievre, who is widely perceived as more closely aligned with Trump. Carney is now likely to enter into a minority government with other parties who have relatively strong climate commitments.

Carney’s election should be good news for Canada’s climate ambitions and for international decarbonisation efforts, with Canada currently ranked as the 12th largest emitter globally. His leadership could also send a strong policy signal to Canadian and international asset owners looking to make long-term investments in the country’s energy transition.

Canadian pension funds, in particular, tend to allocate comparatively high proportions to private market assets, including substantial exposure to domestic infrastructure. Some larger schemes dedicate between 8% and 20% of their portfolios to the asset class.

While both the Conservatives and Liberals have officially adopted net zero targets, Poilievre has more recently criticised decarbonisation efforts and has advocated for increased oil and gas production.

Macro credentials

Carney’s election has been warmly welcomed by environmental campaigners. Rick Smith, president of the Canadian Climate Institute, said: “Accelerating Canada’s progress on climate change is an economic imperative in this time of global upheaval. Canada has an opportunity to act on climate change in ways that grow our economy, support Canadian innovation, and expand our trade horizons. With continued US aggression and efforts to undermine clean energy innovation, Canadian-made climate solutions are a vital tool to support workers, protect communities, and strengthen our economy.”

His macro credentials are seen as a significant advantage by Gerald Alain P. Chen-Young, CIO at the National Public Pension Fund Association (NPPFA) who argues that in an era increased political uncertainty, macroeconomic clarity becomes key: "PM Carney’s intellect on all things monetary policy related matters. It does, because monetarism seems to dominate the current global economic agenda. Yield curves & term structures of interest, central bank activism, reserve (currency) & safe haven assets, and so forth are all apparently the apex of concerns, globally" he stresses.

Richard Brooks, climate finance director at the campaign group Stand.earth, echoed that support: “We hope prime minister Carney’s deep understanding of climate change and practical solutions will guide his policy decisions. He knows that new oil and gas pipelines are not the answer, nor can we rely on voluntary actions from private institutions like banks and asset managers.

“Given his macroeconomic experience, we expect him to use federal powers to implement mandatory regulations on financial institutions and to channel targeted investment into real clean energy solutions—such as renewables, grid expansion, and efficiency programmes. He promised to rein in major industrial polluters, and we expect him to deliver” he added.

 
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It is like the term clean coal, there is no such thing as clean coal, there are cleaner ways of running a coal plant that involve installing scrubbers and gas treatment shit. Ultimately, it is not clean and if you live near a clean coal plant your life expectancy will be reduced. Technically, it should be called "cleaner coal," but "clean coal" has a better sound bite.

Decarbonized oil should be called less carbonized oil, but the sound bite is not as attractive. Oil from the tar sands is the most energy intensive source of oil in the world because clean water has to be heated and turned into steam to do shit to the tar to turn it into heavy crude. My guess is that the energy to heat the water comes from fossil fuels, if it came from nuclear or renewables, that is less carbon intensive oil and probably what is meant by "decarbonized oil".
 

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It is like the term clean coal, there is no such thing as clean coal, there are cleaner ways of running a coal plant that involve installing scrubbers and gas treatment shit. Ultimately, it is not clean and if you live near a clean coal plant your life expectancy will be reduced. Technically, it should be called "cleaner coal," but "clean coal" has a better sound bite.
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In theory it is possible to remove most of the emission of carbon dioxide and
pollutants from combustion of coal in electric power generation The same
cannot be said of burning oil as a fuel for transportation. Coal itself can never
be made clean. Clean coal power could nonetheless have a future.
 

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Climate groups to PM Carney: Pick pipelines or climate action

ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENCE, COMMON HORIZON, CLIMATE JUSTICE OTTAWA, CLIMATE EMERGENCY UNIT, CLIMATE ACTION NETWORK CANADA, ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENCE, 350 CANADA, LEADNOW, STAND.EARTH, MUSIC DECLARES EMERGENCY CANADA, GRAND(M)OTHERS ACT TO SAVE THE PLANET (GASP), FRIDAYS FOR FUTURE OTTAWA, FOR OUR KIDS

National climate groups stage 95-metre message to PM Carney ahead of Throne speech—Pick a path: pipelines or climate action?

Ottawa | Traditional, unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinaabeg People – Ahead of the Throne speech, national climate organizations called on Prime Minister Carney to “pick a path” for Canada that prioritized climate solutions to build a clean, resilient economy, address the cost-of-living crisis, and position Canada as a global climate action leader.

Prime Minister Carney had promised to focus on nation-building projects and strengthen the Canadian economy against U.S. President Trump’s tariffs and annexation threats. But new fossil fuel infrastructure, like pipelines, would have further tied Canada’s economy to the U.S.—as the majority of Canadian oilsands production is owned by American investors and shareholders—while also leaving Canada vulnerable to the volatility of global oil prices and the escalating climate crisis. Any new pipelines would have required massive government subsidies, putting the cost on Canadian taxpayers and diverting money away from the clean energy transition.

On May 21, afternoon from 4:30–6 p.m. ET, activists staged a 95-metre-wide fabric installation in Major’s Hill Park, Ottawa, with the message “pick a path” between diverging arrows — one arrow pointing to pipelines, facing the U.S. embassy, and the other arrow pointing to climate action, facing the Canadian Parliament. The visual demonstration was followed by a solar-powered concert featuring performances from leading young Canadian musicians (Luella, Jessica Pearson, and Mailaïka Urbani) from 5–7 p.m. ET.

To underline their message, Common Horizon, a new movement of young workers, delivered a letter to PM Mark Carney’s office outlining support for three major nation-building projects — an East-West electricity grid powered by renewables; a fully-funded Youth Climate Corps/Job program; and a green public housing program. These nation-building projects were framed as essential for building Canada’s resilience, making life more affordable, and tackling the climate emergency. The letter also demanded an end to new pipelines and fossil fuel subsidies, and called on the government to reject projects without the free, prior, and informed consent of Indigenous Peoples.

Emily Lowan, Fossil Fuel Supply Lead, Climate Action Network Canada:
“It’s time for the Prime Minister to pick a path. In this moment of intersecting crises, new fossil fuel infrastructure is a waste of time and money—and we have neither to spare. We need to finally move past pipelines, which are dangerous distractions that serve the interests of fossil fuel corporations and American billionaires, and seize the opportunity to build out affordable, reliable, clean electricity throughout the country. We need to support workers, create good jobs for youth, improve our health and save money on our energy bills—and we can do that by building an East-West electricity grid based on renewables.”

Hailey Asquin, National organizer, Common Horizon:
“Right now, life for young people in Canada is tough. Grocery costs are sky-high and continue to rise, home ownership feels like a fantasy, and it’s difficult to imagine our futures through the haze of wildfire smoke and increasing climate disasters we are seeing every year. That’s why we, Common Horizon, are building a mass movement of young workers across the country, to fight the corporate greed and government complacency at the root of the affordability and climate crises. We are organizing to win good jobs, real climate action that empowers workers and community, and an affordable, dignified life for all. Carney must pick the right path for Canada.”

Emilia Belliveau, Energy Transition Program Manager, Environmental Defence Canada:
“Building new fossil fuel infrastructure, like pipelines, would be a reckless choice at this moment of the climate crisis. There is no economic case for a pipeline, no proponent, and no long-term market. The TMX expansion isn’t even full. Instead of another pipeline, we need to aggressively build out more clean energy. Canada made a G7 commitment to phase out fossil fuel subsidies. If the government supports new oil and gas infrastructure using the public purse, they would break their international commitment.”

Kim Fry, Music Declares Emergency Canada:
“Canada is at a cross-roads. We are running out of time to avert climate catastrophe. While countries around the world are racing to reduce emissions and transition to clean energy, Canada is talking about rolling out even more carbon intensive energy projects instead of climate action projects. Nation building projects need to respect Indigenous Rights and move us away from fossil fuels towards renewable energy and affordable, energy efficient housing. We need a Youth Climate Corps and money invested in helping the arts and culture communicate our much needed shift towards green economic prosperity.”

Seth Klein, Team lead, Climate Emergency Unit:
“If the Prime Minister genuinely means to ‘build at a speed we’ve never seen,’ then a properly-resourced Youth Climate Corps is purpose-built for that task. A large-scale YCC would give young people a chance to find shared purpose as they mobilize in our collective defence; an audacious new public program that invites anyone 35 and under to enlist in a two-year training and employment program that will set them on a career confronting the crisis of our time. As we deal with the repercussions of the Trump attacks, young people – often the last hired, first fired – will be facing rising unemployment. A YCC that trains them up in the work needed to delink from the US and from fossil fuels is exactly what this moment calls for.”

Brendan Haley, Senior Director of Policy Strategy, Efficiency Canada:
“The affordable housing we need won’t be truly affordable unless it is energy-efficient and zero-carbon. Canadians living on low incomes are already struggling with high energy bills, dangerous indoor temperatures during heat waves, and rising rent. Investing in green, affordable housing is a nation-building opportunity to tackle the climate crisis, support Canadian businesses and workers, and ensure every household can live in a safe, healthy, and affordable home.”


 

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The pipeline project may unfold into a battle
between the nation's climate lunatics and it's
climate hypocrite PM.
Hmm, who to believe?
The oil$gas industry who calls all scientists 'lunatics' while he rakes in the cash?
Or the scientists?

 

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Prime Minister Mark Carney stood accused of peddling embarrassing misinformation this week after the PM declared his government’s definition of “nation-building” projects might include “decarbonized” oil.

During their meeting in Saskatoon on Monday, Carney and provincial/territorial premiers began work on a list of natural resource and infrastructure megaprojects that might be subject to a fast-tracked review process that is raising alarm among many First Nations and in the environmental assessment community. Carney said the group would refine what should count as priority projects over the summer months, adding that as “private proponents become aware of the opportunity here, we’re going to see more projects coming forward.”

At a closing news conference after the meeting, Carney listed several projects that might make the first ministers’ priority list, including the deeply troubled Pathways Alliance carbon capture and storage hub and an oil pipeline to the northwest coast. In his statement, he said “decarbonized” barrels of oil would be “within the broader context of national interest.”

“Yes, there’s real potential there,” he told media. “It took up a good deal of our time in discussions with potential to move forward on that. If further developed, the federal government will look to advance it.”

That drew an immediate response from University of British Columbia climate scientist Simon Donner, co-chair of the federal Net Zero Advisory Body, who told the Toronto Star it’s misleading to suggest fossil fuels can be burned without emitting the greenhouse gas emissions that are causing climate change.

“There is no such thing as decarbonized oil and gas,” Donner said. “Oil contains carbon. It is high school chemistry. And [it emits] carbon dioxide when they’re used.”

Donner added: “The government is going to embarrass itself by using such industry and marketing speak.”

Adam Scott, executive director of Shift Action for Pension Wealth and Planetary Health, said it fell to Donner to “state the obvious in response to misinformation” from the Prime Minister. “Nothing about this fact-check is political. It’s just a basic statement of reality,” Scott wrote on LinkedIn.

“No matter how much anyone wants it, it’s simply not possible to ‘decarbonize’ literal chains of hydrocarbons produced and sold for combustion,” he added. “Bolting carbon capture projects to oil and gas production projects can’t remove the imperative to phase them out of our energy system in order to stabilize our climate. Building new oil and gas pipelines directly undermines climate commitments and blocks our path to addressing the crisis. New export pipelines either lock in higher climate-wrecking emissions, or quickly become stranded assets. No amount of political context changes this.”

Janetta McKenzie, director of oil and gas at the Calgary-based Pembina Institute, noted that climate pollution from oil and gas production increased 70% between 2005 and 2023, while most of the rest of the economy began cutting emissions. In March, the latest federal emissions inventory put the increase for oil sands at 143%.

“With questions about when the Pathways project could come online, McKenzie said policies like carbon pricing and regulations to limit emissions are needed if high levels of production can continue without blowing Canada’s effort to hit its emissions targets over the next decade,” the Star writes.

That guy is an idiot. CLEARLY Carney means the oil will be decarbonized via offsets. He was talking about sequestration, so only a real dope cannot get what he means. Or a Con who wants to just pretend to be dope in hopes that the other dopes will go along in a conservative orgy of mass stupidity.
 
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