Two Biological Males Allowed to Fight in Female Div. At Paris Olympics

Valcazar

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why none of the trans proponents never talk about their prophet and founder John Money?
Because no one who knows anything considers him a prophet and founder?
People saying nonsense like that does make it easier to know who to dismiss as unserious, though.
 

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Because no one who knows anything considers him a prophet and founder?
People saying nonsense like that does make it easier to know who to dismiss as unserious, though.
dismissing something because you don't like it does not make you right. yuou are just like Frankfooter who is an expert on that

it shows you don't know how propaganda works


here is more on John Money



John Money, a figure shrouded in controversy and pivotal to the development of modern gender theory. In this video, we peel back the layers of John Money's life, from his groundbreaking concepts of 'gender role' and 'sexual orientation' to the notorious David Reimer case that questioned his theories and ethics.
This is the complex story of a man whose influence shaped the discourse on gender and sexuality, leaving a trail of debate and tragedy. Learn about the David Reimer experiment that challenged societal norms and the impact they had on the individuals involved. We take you through the life of John Money, exploring the roots of his ideologies, the psychological experiments that have sparked endless debates, and the reasons his name remains obscured in today's discussions on gender.

 

Valcazar

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dismissing something because you don't like it does not make you right. yuou are just like Frankfooter who is an expert on that

it shows you don't know how propaganda works
No.
I just know more about John Money and his place in the history of sexuality research than you do.

I also am able to spot a (quite shopworn by this time) disingenuous attack on something.
Like I said, that you position him as a "prophet and founder" shows how wildly dishonest and silly this attack is and what you are trying to do with it.
 
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No.
I just know more about John Money and his place in the history of sexuality research than you do.

I also am able to spot a (quite shopworn by this time) disingenuous attack on something.
Like I said, that you position him as a "prophet and founder" shows how wildly dishonest and silly this attack is and what you are trying to do with it.




Dr John Money was also a pedophilia apologist did you know about that or you just acting like a snob claiming you know more about him that me?









Money was sharply criticized for what looked dangerously like an endorsement of incest and pedophilia. "A childhood sexual experience, such as being the partner of a relative or of an older person, need not necessarily affect the child adversely," Money told Time. And according to a right-wing group critical of his teachings, Money reportedly told Paidika, a Dutch journal of pedophilia, "If I were to see the case of a boy aged 10 or 12 who's intensely attracted toward a man in his 20s or 30s, if the relationship is totally mutual, and the bonding is genuinely totally mutual, then I would not call it pathological in any way."
 

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I was initially understanding when this story first came out as there was a good deal of confusion and mixed messages swirling around. I could thus understand how people might be feeling angry and upset.

At this point, though, the facts are clear and anyone who is still arguing that Khelif should not be allowed to compete against other women is a bigoted transphobe who is not worth acknowledging or arguing with.

This thread should have died ages ago. The only thing we should be focusing on now is how much money Imane Khelif can acquire in civil court from Elon Musk, Jk Rowling, and all the other bigots who defamed her.
 
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Valcazar

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Dr John Money was also a pedophilia apologist did you know about that or you just acting like a snob claiming you know more about him that me?
Money's writings on various paraphilia are pretty well known.
 

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I was initially understanding when this story first came out as there was a good deal of confusion and mixed messages swirling around. I could thus understand how people might be feeling angry and upset.

At this point, though, the facts are clear and anyone who is still arguing that Khelif should not be allowed to compete against other women is a bigoted transphobe who is not worth acknowledging or arguing with.

This thread should have died ages ago. The only thing we should be focusing on now is how much money Imane Khelif can acquire in civil court from Elon Musk, Jk Rowling, and all the other bigots who defamed her.

Let's see if this has any legs...
 
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Khelif has a 5 alpha reductase enzyme deficiency so a under virilised male with undescended testes.

This deficiency is only found in biological males. Khelif has no uterus and a micro penis. The testosterone levels are of a normal male.

The report also indicates that Khelif's parents might have been blood relatives.

LOL....This person shouldn't be sanctioned to punch women in the head...But the woke mind virus and all...
 

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One large advantage enjoyed by Khelif that I haven't seen mentioned yet in the posts nor links is the difference in body fat percentage for male elite athletes as compared to women.

Khelif fought in Paris as a Welterweight: greater than 140 pounds, and no more than 147 pounds (about 63–67 kg). Not having tits to speak of is a big advantage in women's boxing, for no other reason than that the condition allows for an extra couple of pounds, (at least), of lean muscle mass without having to fight in a higher weight class.
 
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Khelif has a 5 alpha reductase enzyme deficiency so a under virilised male with undescended testes.

This deficiency is only found in biological males. Khelif has no uterus and a micro penis. The testosterone levels are of a normal male.

The report also indicates that Khelif's parents might have been blood relatives.

LOL....This person shouldn't be sanctioned to punch women in the head...But the woke mind virus and all...
This is stuff people object to and gets Trump in.
 

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This is stuff people object to and gets Trump in.

Wanna bet Brittney Griner has the same condition?...Nobody in the WNBA has the stones to make that call out though.
From Snopes:
Unverified Leak of Imane Khelif’s Alleged Medical Records Misrepresented by Viral Headlines

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“Even if the reports published by Ait Aoudia are authentic, however, the alleged findings have been misrepresented. If true, they would not conclusively prove that Khelif "is a man." Instead, as Snopes explains here, they would highlight the reality that, from a scientific standpoint, gender is not actually as binary as some suggest it to be.

 
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