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Liberals aren't planning to table a budget this year, finance minister says

squeezer

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You sound just like I thought a sucker would sound like after they realize they were suckered while sucking balls.
How's the sucking going btw? You know...that whole buyer's remorse thing. Good suction?
No Voter's remorse here Skoob!! I'm loving it with Carney at the wheel. A steady hand with a great mind.

PS....easy though, I lent shaq my last mug so easy on the tears please.
 
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Butler1000

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get a load of this one




Carney won the election despite leading a corrupt party and he won by claiming he was the man to stand up to Trump
but now he has caved in completely to Trump
As Canadians are voluntarily boycotting American Goods tariffs probably won't generate much anyway. I have said since the beginning anyone with travel tickets should use them, anyone who is poor should use the best deal to feed their family.

But we as a nation are just not buying. And now that farmers markets are coming back I can go to zero fresh imported produce.

Trump is the one chasing deal now.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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They stole the Conservative platform to control immigration.
Even Trudeau announced reduced immigration numbers, so this isn't true that they stole Conservative platform ideas.
This is the new mental gymnastics.
If Liberals do something you agree with, it was stolen from the conservatives.
If they do something you disagree with, it is because it is Liberal policy. lmfao.
 

JohnLarue

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Read the article, not the headline.
i read the article
Canada has effectively suspended almost all of its retaliatory tariffs on U.S. products,

are the us tariffs still in effect against Canada ?
Yes

Carney won the election despite leading a corrupt party and he won by claiming he was the man to stand up to Trump
but now he has caved in completely to Trump
 
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JohnLarue

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As Canadians are voluntarily boycotting American Goods tariffs probably won't generate much anyway. I have said since the beginning anyone with travel tickets should use them, anyone who is poor should use the best deal to feed their family.
yet Food prices at stores increased by 3.2 per cent in march, well above the cpi rate of 2.3%
Loblaws is saying they can not hold the line anymore as their inventory of imported food has dwindled and food prices are going to increase even more


But we as a nation are just not buying. And now that farmers markets are coming back I can go to zero fresh imported produce.
you do not define the Canadian Consumer
i believe Loblaws has a better handle on what Canadians are buy than you do

Trump is the one chasing deal now.
hardly
we drop our tariffs, yet us tariffs on Canada remain intact
every day i read about companies pledging to invest in the US
GlobalWafers opens new US factory; plans additional $4 billion investment

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mean while Steven Guilbeault continues to scare investment dollars away from Canada and does so intentionally


“I expect Ottawa will quietly fold shortly after the vote to ensure that ongoing relations with the US remain functional."
Said Ian Bremmer, President of the Eurasia Group of what he expects from Carney…
…this the same Eurasia Group that employs Jerry Butts, Evan Solomon & Carney's wife.

quite different from what Carney told Canadians during the election


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Butler1000

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yet Food prices at stores increased by 3.2 per cent in march, well above the cpi rate of 2.3%
Loblaws is saying they can not hold the line anymore as their inventory of imported food has dwindled and food prices are going to increase even more




you do not define the Canadian Consumer
i believe Loblaws has a better handle on what Canadians are buy than you do



hardly
we drop our tariffs, yet us tariffs on Canada remain intact
every day i read about companies pledging to invest in the US


mean while Steven Guilbeault continues to scare investment dollars away from Canada and does so intentionally





quite different from what Carney told Canadians during the election


Dude, those same promises of investment came in Trump's first term and didn't materialize. Because they do it as a holding action to curry favor and ask for exemptions while they sort it out. And wait.

So naive.

And those grocery prices are an average across all products. I see USA brands piling up while Canaduan brands sell briskly

Us dropping tariffs means Canaduan consumers pay less. You do realize that right? It does not good at this point to tariff things coming in.

The proper thing to to is surcharge things going OUT. Add 10% on all energy(we already give them a discount so they can't find it cheaper), pulp, lumber, and fertilizer. Then use it to offset job losses while this gets sorted out.
 

JohnLarue

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Dude, those same promises of investment came in Trump's first term and didn't materialize. Because they do it as a holding action to curry favor and ask for exemptions while they sort it out. And wait.

So naive.
what is wrong with you?
companies are committing to invest in the us, while not investing in Canada

And those grocery prices are an average across all products. I see USA brands piling up while Canaduan brands sell briskly
you do not define the Canadian Consumer
i believe Loblaws has a better handle on what Canadians are buying than you do

Loblaw Cos. Ltd. chief executive Per Bank said Wednesday in a LinkedIn post that the number of tariff-hit products at the grocery store could soon spike, as products brought into Canada before the trade war began are bought up from store shelves, which means prices for some items will go up, too.
Loblaw has been aggressive in marking which products are affected by tariffs, a tally it has so far limited to a little over 1,000 items. But that total will rise to more than 3,000 within the next week or two, and could peak at over 6,000 within the next two months, according to Bank's post.

"While the tariff situation might be improving between the U.S. and other countries, that's not yet the case here in Canada. In fact, we'll be facing a large wave of tariff-related increases in the weeks ahead," he said.


Us dropping tariffs means Canaduan consumers pay less. You do realize that right? It does not good at this point to tariff things coming in.
that is my position and always has been my position
the issue is it is not the position Carney ran on during the election
he clearly lied to the electorate positioning himself as the only option to stand up to Trump

The proper thing to to is surcharge things going OUT. Add 10% on all energy(we already give them a discount so they can't find it cheaper), pulp, lumber, and fertilizer. Then use it to offset job losses while this gets sorted out.
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wrong
a surcharge on lost sales is zero
Alberta / Sask will not sacrifice their economy for the benefit of Ottawa

enough of the liberals taking with one the right hand , while return less with the left
 
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JohnLarue

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so the liberals are making financial decisions without a budget
the root cause of likely 90% of all bankruptcies

they are not presenting a budget because they do not have the time and must act quickly?

meanwhile they suspended parliament while they ran their predetermined leadership drama
parliament will sit for 20 days and then take the summer off
 
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Butler1000

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what is wrong with you?
companies are committing to invest in the us, while not investing in Canada


you do not define the Canadian Consumer
i believe Loblaws has a better handle on what Canadians are buying than you do







that is my position and always has been my position
the issue is it is not the position Carney ran on during the election
he clearly lied to the electorate positioning himself as the only option to stand up to Trump
wrong
a surcharge on lost sales is zero
Alberta / Sask will not sacrifice their economy for the benefit of Ottawa

enough of the liberals taking with one the right hand , while return less with the left
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They are blowing smoke until Trump is gone.

The USA does not have a trained workforce, nor the educational standard necessary for much of manufacturing. It also has too high of wages to deliver the products at the cost American consumers will pay. It also doesn't have the necessary automation infrastructure to build and service a modern factory like in Asia, nor the govt commitment to subsidize the transition necessary in industrial and education policy.

Quite simply it would take 10+ years and 100's of billions, with a serious commitment by both USA parties to carry through on a common policy to get there. And they would have to do it against the wishes of their donors, both in a increase in taxes, and a reduction in profits in the long run.

That is the reality. So no it won't happen. Not in the long run. Lots of lip service. And a waiting game.
 

JohnLarue

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They are blowing smoke until Trump is gone.
no companies are not going to wait 4 years
a CEO with that strategy is soon to become an ex-CEO

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The USA does not have a trained workforce, nor the educational standard necessary for much of manufacturing.
???
relative to Canada??

you are self delusional

It also has too high of wages to deliver the products at the cost American consumers will pay. It also doesn't have the necessary automation infrastructure to build and service a modern factory like in Asia, nor the govt commitment to subsidize the transition necessary in industrial and education policy.
you had better call the CEO of GlobalWafers
oh and you should also school these companies as well

  1. Apple's $500 billion investment in U.S. manufacturing and training.
  2. TSMC's $165 billion investment in U.S. chip manufacturing.
  3. Nvidia's investment in U.S.-based chip and supercomputer manufacturing.
  4. Johnson & Johnson's $55 billion investment in domestic pharma facilities.
  5. Eli Lilly's four new U.S. pharma plants.
  6. GE Aerospace's $1 billion supply chain expansion.
  7. Hyundai's $21 billion investment through 2028
you are naive and self deluding

Quite simply it would take 10+ years and 100's of billions, with a serious commitment by both USA parties to carry through on a common policy to get there. And they would have to do it against the wishes of their donors, both in a increase in taxes, and a reduction in profits in the long run.
you are naive and self deluding
the will be capital flowing to the USA and new economic activity in the USA

That is the reality. So no it won't happen. Not in the long run. Lots of lip service. And a waiting game.
you are naive and self deluding
trade will be realigned and waiting will be an economically disastrous policy for Canada to take
 
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Skoob

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No Voter's remorse here Skoob!! I'm loving it with Carney at the wheel. A steady hand with a great mind.

PS....easy though, I lent shaq my last mug so easy on the tears please.
Steady hand? You mean the hand he used to suck you into believing he's standing up to Trump then used that hand to remove most retaliatory tariffs the other day?

Is it still "elbows up!" or is it now "hands up!" ?

ps you've been played.
 
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Skoob

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Even Trudeau announced reduced immigration numbers, so this isn't true that they stole Conservative platform ideas.
This is the new mental gymnastics.
If Liberals do something you agree with, it was stolen from the conservatives.
If they do something you disagree with, it is because it is Liberal policy. lmfao.
Trudeau announced immigration control when the Liberals were starting to realize they were going to lose the upcoming election.
Up until then, despite the problem being there, all the Liberals did was criticize anyone who dared challenge them on immigration.

Are you that naive or were you just not paying attention to anything for the past year and then suddenly were convinced to put your elbows up?
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Trudeau announced immigration control when the Liberals were starting to realize they were going to lose the upcoming election.
Great, so you admit that you lied that the Liberals "stole" conservative platform ideas.
The Liberals simply course corrected something that needed to be course corrected.
 
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Skoob

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Great, so you admit that you lied that the Liberals "stole" conservative platform ideas.
The Liberals simply course corrected something that needed to be course corrected.
The only thing I'll admit is that I didn't think anyone could be more hypocritical and naive than you.

I just said they stole the immigration control platform that the Conservatives had well before then and now you say that I lied?? Are you having a stroke or something?

Is "course corrected" the new term you use for all things stolen from the Conservative platform now? Lol! That's funny. The brainwashing is strong with you.
 
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Skoob

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Liberals and their supporters are starting to get backed into a corner, and it's only been 2 weeks.
It's buyer's remorse mixed with the feeling that they have been played but can't admit it.
 
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