Carney platform promises $130B in new spending, deficits until 2029 :Heart Attack:

Shaquille Oatmeal

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This is spending. Call it what it is.
The change has already been made.
Trudeau is no longer in power.
It is time for the Liberals to be in power to counter the threat down south.
Especially ideologically.
That is #1.
#2 is policy.
Per policy positions they are not trying to trick you.
They are saying it is spending too.
But spending is good especially when it is an investment.
If we are to become more independent from the US, which we do need to, and pronto, then we need these investments so we can grow.
The solution to everything isn't cutting taxes for the rich.
Private enterprise doesn't step up to address needs of the nation.
They address needs of their stakeholders.
So government spending in areas that give you long term economic value is the need of the hour, which the Liberals are promising.
Carney, with his credentials and ideological positioning, is therefore the right person for the job.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Reduction of deficit in government spending does not necessarily
translate to elimination of investment in the public and private sector.

How is perpetual growth of national debt (and debt servicing cost)
going to help us grow. You have any idea how much good the expenses
of interest payment incurred by ballooning debt can do?
Carney is promising to reduce defiicit to 1.35% from 1.96%, while investing in assets.
What more do you want?
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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I don't believe him. It's that simple.
The core reason is simple. The Liberal party initiated and continued to defend the Carbon tax....
The carbon tax is a non issue only drummed up into a slogan by Pierre.
So they shut him up by pausing it.
But it is really a non issue for the average Canadian.
Why should I believe Pierre, when he says he stands for a non-Trumpian Canada, while he repeats Trump adjacent rhetoric?
He doesn't pass the sanity test. Untrustworthy.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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De-regulation to get our massive amount of resources to market. Not a bad plan for a country blessed with some of the largest oil, gas and mineral reserves on the planet.
Anything for the average Canadian or is it all just about serving the interests of the rich?
 

DesRicardo

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The change has already been made.
Trudeau is no longer in power.
It is time for the Liberals to be in power to counter the threat down south.
Especially ideologically.
That is #1.
#2 is policy.
Per policy positions they are not trying to trick you.
They are saying it is spending too.
But spending is good especially when it is an investment.
If we are to become more independent from the US, which we do need to, and pronto, then we need these investments so we can grow.
The solution to everything isn't cutting taxes for the rich.
Private enterprise doesn't step up to address needs of the nation.
They address needs of their stakeholders.
So government spending in areas that give you long term economic value is the need of the hour, which the Liberals are promising.
Carney, with his credentials and ideological positioning, is therefore the right person for the job.
You guys told me nothing was wrong with Trudeau. Now you are for his removal.

Can't trust you, Can't trust Carney, Can't trust the Plan.

Time for Change. Vote Conservative.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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You guys told me nothing was wrong with Trudeau. Now you are for his removal.
No we didn't.
I was going to vote Pierre earlier.
I voted for Carney because Trudeau stepped down.
If the polls are any reflection of how Canadians feel today, the majority seem to disagree with you.
(I say that while realizing that polls may not always reflect the truth, but I guess we will know in a week).
 

DesRicardo

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No we didn't.
I was going to vote Pierre earlier.
I voted for Carney because Trudeau stepped down.
If the polls are any reflection of how Canadians feel today, the majority seem to disagree with you.
(I say that while realizing that polls may not always reflect the truth, but I guess we will know in a week).
I don't believe you. I don't believe Carney. The vast majority of his staff is Justin's old staff.

Carney can go back to sourcing loans from china.

Vote Conservative. Time for Change.
 
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I don't believe you. I don't believe Carney. The vast majority of his staff is Justin's old staff.

Carney can go back to sourcing loans from china.

Vote Conservative. Time for Change.
Don't you always vote conservative?
How is that a change?
 

Butler1000

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The carbon tax is a non issue only drummed up into a slogan by Pierre.
So they shut him up by pausing it.
But it is really a non issue for the average Canadian.
Why should I believe Pierre, when he says he stands for a non-Trumpian Canada, while he repeats Trump adjacent rhetoric?
He doesn't pass the sanity test. Untrustworthy.
Lol. It isn't a non issue. It's was, why pause it?

And this Trump narrative is tired and old.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Lol. It isn't a non issue. It's was, why pause it?

And this Trump narrative is tired and old.
I already said why they paused it.
To shut up Pierre and his sloganeering.
And the Trump narrative is not tired and old.
We are being tariffed.
It is pretty much why Pierre lost so much support (atleast per polls) vs Carney.
 
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Butler1000

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I already said why they paused it.
To shut up Pierre and his sloganeering.
And the Trump narrative is not tired and old.
We are being tariffed.
It is pretty much why Pierre lost so much support (atleast per polls) vs Carney.
So is canceling the tax, or lying to Canadians?
 

JohnLarue

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I already said why they paused it.
To shut up Pierre and his sloganeering.
if a policy is sound , you do not reverse it because of criticism from your political opposition
your principals are worth defending or they are not worth anything

Carney's temporary reduction in the Carbon tax levy was vote buying plain and simple

And the Trump narrative is not tired and old.
We are being tariffed.
It is pretty much why Pierre lost so much support (atleast per polls) vs Carney.
that is a fools logic
Please explain exactly what Carney can do that Pierre P can not do with respect to Tariffs


Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre delivered a speech Tuesday on Parliament Hill announcing Canada's response to a 25 per cent tariff U.S. President Donald Trump is imposing on most Canadian goods.

Here is a transcript of his remarks.


At 12:01 a.m., President Trump stabbed America's best friend in the back.


My message to the president is this: Canada will fight back. We will defend our people and our economy, and we will put Canada first.

There is no doubt that our economy will suffer. But so will yours, President Trump. In fact, you're already paying the price with trillions of dollars erased in stock market value over the last month of these threats. Already, Americans are paying higher gas prices, as at midnight, a new American gas tax kicked in on U.S. working-class taxpayers and motorists.

Your workers will soon start losing jobs — jobs they had upgrading Canadian raw materials, which by the way you were getting at an incredible and ridiculous bargain, and your businesses will be selling fewer products to your closest neighbour.

And that's only the beginning. While Canadians are slow to anger and quick to forgive, once provoked, we fight back. And we will fight back.


Now, I'd like to speak to the millions of Canadians who are anxious today after learning that President Trump has attacked our economy.

To the autoworkers. The forestry workers. The steel and aluminum workers. The mining and energy workers. The truckers. The farmers. To all of you who get out of bed before the sun rises and do the labour of the nation.

You are afraid right now, and I understand. I want you to know that I will fight for you. I will fight for your job, I will fight for your family, I will fight for your chance at owning and paying off a home and I will fight for your retirement. And I will fight to put Canada first.

Before these tariffs came in this morning, you must have been asking yourself: how could things get any worse? Before these tariffs, you were already suffering. You wondered how you'd pay the rent or eventually dream of buying a home after housing costs had doubled over the last decade, rising faster than in any other G7 country.

You've downgraded your diet, as food prices have risen 37 per cent faster in Canada than in the United States over the last five years. You might be one of the two million people, a record-breaking number, lined up at food banks — a number that had more than doubled before these tariffs applied.

You've likely noticed that your paycheque is not keeping up with the record inflation, as Canada's GDP has grown less and lower than any other G7 country over the last decade.


You might have noticed that your company has already been moving jobs to the United States, as greedy and self-serving CEOs put their share prices ahead of your job and a half-trillion dollars net has left from Canada to Trump's America under the current Liberal government.

And now this. But I am here with a message of hope. We will overcome this attack on our economy, and I have a plan to do it.


Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre laid out his party's plan to counter U.S. tariffs on Tuesday. (Adrian Wyld/The Canadian Press)
First, we must retaliate, targeting American goods in the following order: a) goods we can make ourselves, b) goods we don't need and c) goods we can get from elsewhere.

Second, counter-tariffs must not be a cash cow for the government. Almost every penny of the tariffs collected should go to tax cuts, with a small sum set aside for targeted relief to workers hardest hit by the trade war. None of the money should go to new government spending and programs. We must not allow politicians to dishonestly use this crisis to once again launch a debt-fuelled, money-printing spending spree that will drive up inflation and further destroy the working class and hit the poorest people the hardest.

Third, we must immediately pass a bring it home tax cut on work, investment, energy and home building. The idea is to neutralize the cost of the tariffs with lower taxes and incentivize massive new investment in building stuff in this country. The obvious place to start is to get rid of the Liberal carbon tax, then axe the sales tax on new homes. We need to reverse the Liberal capital gains tax hike and slash income tax, so that hard work pays off and you bring home more of each dollar you earn.

Fourth, we must immediately repeal the Liberal no-new-pipelines law, C-69, a law that not only blocks all pipelines, but stops mines, refineries, export plants and all kinds of other energy infrastructure and makes us hopelessly reliant on one customer, the Americans — a customer we cannot count on anymore.
 
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JohnLarue

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Some people call them 'social services' and actually quite like them.
You know, things like schools, hospitals, health care, day care....
wrong
this is the problem

The size of the federal public service in Canada has significantly increased since 2015, with a notable rise in the number of employees and a growing share of the population it represents. The Public Service Commission of Canada reported that the federal public service reached 274,219 employees in 2022/23, a 40.4% increase compared to 2014/15. This growth has been accompanied by an increase in total compensation for federal bureaucrats, even after accounting for inflation.
40% growth in the size of govt without any benefit to the taxpayer
 
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