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BREAKING: Zelensky ADMITS Trump Meeting Went Poorly, Still WANTS Ukraine PEACE DEAL!

Shaquille Oatmeal

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To assume the US would agree with security guarantees which would provoke Russia into WW3 is idiocy of the highest order.
It was called a mineral deal, because that's what it was.

Otherwise it would have been called a US Security Guarantee deal.
Zelensky is no fool to sign away his natural resources to the US, his land to Russia and let his country be raped.
He is obviously going to bring up security guarantees and he is going to do it again.
 
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This sort of framework agreement cannot be operationalized without security guarantees.
But then again Trump is looking for optics and doesn't care about how it actually transpires.
Zelensky will disagree with you if he ends up signing the deal in Trump's terms.

I won't rule out the remote possiblity that Zelensky in the end refuses
to sign with Trump but sign one with Europe which gives him the security
guarantee he wants.

I can't see how only one of the two agreement will be operational
so long as it is signed and accepted.
 

richaceg

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Yes because his march to Kiev, and defeat in Kharkiv and losing a small part of Kursk must have all happened in your dreams.
In case you don't know...Russian forces are still in Ukraine...lol...without the US...Ukraine is fucked and there's nothing Europe can do. Thats why the UK pm met with Trump...zelensky is going back to the US...Trudeau is keeping a line with Trump.. I know it's hard to watch it because you think Trump is a nazi but that's how it is...they simply can't burn that bridge...no matter how much you whine...
 

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Which was my earlier comment that poor Zelensky was hanging his hopes on 80 years of American foreign policy positions.
But the Nazis are once more in collusion with the Russians as they were 80+ years ago.
Who are these nazis you're talking about?foreign policies that NATO didn't respect...zelensky has himself to blame .. he listened to the democrats who has no real power... lol
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Why didn't the Biden administration wasn't able to provide security guarantees?
I agree, they kept dragging things and trickled help to Ukraine.
This is why I never supported giving aid to Ukraine in the first place.
Not because I support Russia or I worry about taxpayer money.
But when it is someone else's money it always runs out.
And when they dont have skin in the game they will throw you under the bus at some point.
And it always comes with strings attached and a heavy price to pay.
But Ukraine had no other choice either.
Ukraine's mistake was in 2014 when they wanted to ally with the west.
If you are a poor country your best option is to stay non-aligned.
Never trust the west, particularly the United States.
 

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It's relevant because Liberals sometimes trust foreigners without vetting them first. Then embarrass our country. It just reminded me of the time they invted a Nazi to our parliament and embarrassed us again. Didn't you find that embarrassing or was this another pass you decided to give Trudeau?

Zelensky changed the parameters of the agreement that he was going to sign and asked for security guarantees which were not part of it.

Trump wants peace. Zelensky wants money. Trudeau has given more than Canada can afford.
OIC, when you throw Trudeau into a mix about Trump then it is supposed to be "relevant". But in the past when I mentioned Trump into a very relevant topic, then all you righties start going ballistic!! This has nothing to do with that Ukrainian individual. Once again it was not Trudeau, but the Speaker who invited that individual and he subsequently resigned!!
But Trump's own corrupt buddy called Musk, cozies up to the far right AfD Party in Germany and gives a Nazi salute, but all you righties then start making excuses for his gestures!!

Zelenskyy was NOT INVITED to the discussions for a ceasefire, and Trump is giving Putin all the concessions that is a REAL LOSS for a Democracy vs an Autocracy!!
No wonder that the EU, Canada, and all the advanced nations are throwing their support behind Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy wants aid to battle these Russians who were the ones that started this whole war on Ukraine. You are living in denial of that real fact, otherwise tell us who invaded who to trigger this war?
 

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OIC, when you throw Trudeau into a mix about Trump then it is supposed to be "relevant". But in the past when I mentioned Trump into a very relevant topic, then all you righties start going ballistic!! This has nothing to do with that Ukrainian individual. Once again it was not Trudeau, but the Speaker who invited that individual and he subsequently resigned!!
But Trump's own corrupt buddy called Musk, cozies up to the far right AfD Party in Germany and gives a Nazi salute, but all you righties then start making excuses for his gestures!!

Zelenskyy was NOT INVITED to the discussions for a ceasefire, and Trump is giving Putin all the concessions that is a REAL LOSS for a Democracy vs an Autocracy!!
No wonder that the EU, Canada, and all the advanced nations are throwing their support behind Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy wants aid to battle these Russians who were the ones that started this whole war on Ukraine. You are living in denial of that real fact, otherwise tell us who invaded who to trigger this war?
trump played all his cards, like he did with the tariffs.
He blocked all aid to Ukraine and stopped sharing satellite intel.
There is nothing left he can do to punish Ukraine, he'll just watch the EU pick up the pieces the way Canada is moving on.

 
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Zelensky is no fool to sign away his natural resources to the US, his land to Russia and let his country be raped.
He is obviously going to bring up security guarantees and he is going to do it again.
Then he won't get anything. He has no power. He shouldn't have pushed for security guarantees and jeopardize his country even more.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Then he won't get anything. He has no power. He shouldn't have pushed for security guarantees and jeopardize his country even more.
If he doesn't get security guarantees he and by extension the US won't get anything anyway.
Without security guarantees the deal is just a preliminary framework.
Nothing set in stone and it will never materialize.
 

Skoob

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OIC, when you throw Trudeau into a mix about Trump then it is supposed to be "relevant". But in the past when I mentioned Trump into a very relevant topic, then all you righties start going ballistic!! This has nothing to do with that Ukrainian individual. Once again it was not Trudeau, but the Speaker who invited that individual and he subsequently resigned!!
But Trump's own corrupt buddy called Musk, cozies up to the far right AfD Party in Germany and gives a Nazi salute, but all you righties then start making excuses for his gestures!!

Zelenskyy was NOT INVITED to the discussions for a ceasefire, and Trump is giving Putin all the concessions that is a REAL LOSS for a Democracy vs an Autocracy!!
No wonder that the EU, Canada, and all the advanced nations are throwing their support behind Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy wants aid to battle these Russians who were the ones that started this whole war on Ukraine. You are living in denial of that real fact, otherwise tell us who invaded who to trigger this war?
It was related because the Nazi that Trudeau invited to parliament was Ukrainian and you brought up Walesa who is Polish who stated that Trump reminded him of what the Nazis did in Poland during WW2...and I did say it reminded me of the time Trudeau fucked up again and invited a Nazi to parliament and you gave him another pass.

So completely related here.

Trump wants peace. Zelensky wants money and war. Trudeau has "donated" more than Canada can afford while neglecting his own country.

Learn the differences and it will all make sense to you eventually.
 

Skoob

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If he doesn't get security guarantees he and by extension the US won't get anything anyway.
Without security guarantees the deal is just a preliminary framework.
Nothing set in stone and it will never materialize.
The US will never sign a deal that provides security guarantees because that could lead to WW3.
 
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