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So much so that the Democrats twisted it into their own campaign messaging: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/biden-trump-trudeau-1.5385660
How quickly we forget.
If he hadn't threatened to leave NATO they wouldn't have done anything.
Canada, a G7 nation still hasn't.
Where in the article does it say they laughed at him because he was asking for 2%?
Again, 24 of 32 countries reached a minimum of 2%, and then changed it to 5%.
Why is that?
 

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Who do you think the ladies would find more attractive, Trumputin with his small hand and small mushroom dick in his suit or Zelensky in his war attire?
Well the redhead is familiar.... and Trump undoubtadly does have bigger tits,

 

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The US stopped sharing intel with Ukraine
Now the Kremlin is stepping up attacks knowing Ukraine can't see them coming.

trump is a Putin stooge.

Trump is far nire than a stooge, asset orapologist/sympathizer. His actions to cut intel and freeze arms already in transit, and refuse to imp;lement Congress and Senate appropriations for military aid has been illeggalty stopped.

All in a clear benefit to Russia and their imperilaistic ambitions directled soley by Trump.

No question Trump is a full fledge russian Operative.
 
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Where in the article does it say they laughed at him because he was asking for 2%?
Again, 24 of 32 countries reached a minimum of 2%, and then changed it to 5%.
Why is that?
Are you serious? They were laughing at him period. NATO funding was one of the items he was pushing them on and they laughed behind his back.
If you prefer to bury your head in semantics that's you're choice.
In 2016 only a handful of NATO members were meeting their commitments. By the time Trump left office in 2020, a few more upped their commitments.

Not sure where you get your "24 of 32" meeting their 2% but I think that's way off as of a year ago...


Only 35% of NATO Countries Meet the Group’s Defense Spending Target
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...tries-meet-the-groups-defense-spending-target
 

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Are you serious? They were laughing at him period. NATO funding was one of the items he was pushing them on and they laughed behind his back.
If you prefer to bury your head in semantics that's you're choice.
In 2016 only a handful of NATO members were meeting their commitments. By the time Trump left office in 2020, a few more upped their commitments.

Not sure where you get your "24 of 32" meeting their 2% but I think that's way off as of a year ago...


Only 35% of NATO Countries Meet the Group’s Defense Spending Target
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...tries-meet-the-groups-defense-spending-target
Then say they were laughing at him, don't make up shit about NATO just to be right.
Doesn't matter when he left office, he made that demand of 5% in January of this year. Even the U.S. doesn't spend that according to NATO figures.
But I guess that's just semantics to you.

Trump’s uphill battle to make NATO allies hit his mega defense spending target – POLITICO
 

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Then say they were laughing at him, don't make up shit about NATO just to be right.
Doesn't matter when he left office, he made that demand of 5% in January of this year. Even the U.S. doesn't spend that according to NATO figures.
But I guess that's just semantics to you.

Trump’s uphill battle to make NATO allies hit his mega defense spending target – POLITICO
Making what up exactly?

I said they were laughing at him. It was the NATO summit. They were put on the spot and called out for not living up to their NATO commitments.

He called them out when he was in office, and wants them to up their spending now. A couple of countries have already committed to spending at least 5%.

What part of this confuses you?

Or do you just like someone else paying your way all the time?
 

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The US stopped sharing intel with Ukraine
Now the Kremlin is stepping up attacks knowing Ukraine can't see them coming.

trump is a Putin stooge.

maybe reconsider peace with Russia...go back to the Whitehouse and apologize...
i mean, that's his best option right now...
Trump is not asking him to kiss the ring or something...just consider peace talks...
 
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The US stopped sharing intel with Ukraine
Now the Kremlin is stepping up attacks knowing Ukraine can't see them coming.

trump is a Putin stooge.

And if they could, it would just slow things down. Trump said if you don't sign we are out. This war has been lost for over a year. Not admitting to that fact just means more dead people, more destruction and more money down the drain.
 
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The speculation that Trump is a stooge for Putin is not sound at all, to put it politely. Trump is president of the most powerful country on the planet, connected to the wealthiest and most powerful people on the planet. And he's taking payolla from a second rate power to go against American interests?
Aside from economic interests, if the National Security appartus or intelligence agencies got even a sniff of that he would be dead. They monitor their leaders constantly to make sure.

Having said that, U.S. and Europe courted Ukraine into working them into the E.U. and eventually into NATO, U.S. made this inention explicit. This is what precipitated the invasion. Within the first week or so of the war, Zelensky and Putin had a deal worked in principle and Boris went to Ukraine to "talk" him out of it. Now that the war is unwinnable, Trump is making Zelensky look like the bad guy and throwing him under the bus to save face for the U.S.
 

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The speculation that Trump is a stooge for Putin is not sound at all, to put it politely. Trump is president of the most powerful country on the planet, connected to the wealthiest and most powerful people on the planet. And he's taking payolla from a second rate power to go against American interests?
Aside from economic interests, if the National Security appartus or intelligence agencies got even a sniff of that he would be dead. They monitor their leaders constantly to make sure.

Having said that, U.S. and Europe courted Ukraine into working them into the E.U. and eventually into NATO, U.S. made this inention explicit. This is what precipitated the invasion. Within the first week or so of the war, Zelensky and Putin had a deal worked in principle and Boris went to Ukraine to "talk" him out of it. Now that the war is unwinnable, Trump is making Zelensky look like the bad guy and throwing him under the bus to save face for the U.S.
Nato and us courti g Ukraine had nothing to do with Trump. He was against nato and wanted to pull out of it...the best way to end the war without anymore blood shed is peace talks...that's the leat expensive too. Us will have to spend at least trillions of dollars to defeat Russia and also risking a nuclear war which is gonna cost another trillion. Dealing with the fall out if let's sat us survives...us is Ukrains easy way out.
 

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Nato and us courti g Ukraine had nothing to do with Trump. He was against nato and wanted to pull out of it...
I'm not saying Trump was involved with that. I'm saying that he got stuck with the present day reality of it, and now he's backtracking the U.S. out of it for obvious reasons. You don't know if he really wants out of NATO or he's trying to pressure Europe into more support because the U.S. is focusing their resources towards China and that entire region.
Personally it would be insane to pull out of NATO, they would lose all their leverage in that part of the world, tha vacuum would be filled by somebody else, different alliances arise, not to their benefit.
 

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I'm not saying Trump was involved with that. I'm saying that he got stuck with the present day reality of it, and now he's backtracking the U.S. out of it for obvious reasons. You don't know if he really wants out of NATO or he's trying to pressure Europe into more support because the U.S. is focusing their resources towards China and that entire region.
Personally it would be insane to pull out of NATO, they would lose all their leverage in that part of the world, tha vacuum would be filled by somebody else, different alliances arise, not to their benefit.
Well one thing is a fact
..US is carrying the brunt of the finances of NATO. He may want to opt out if most members don't even honor their pledges.
 
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