Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode

The Oracle

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On the slopes of Mount Parnassus, Greece
He is apparently good friends(admitted by Saagar) with his chief of staff. That does give him access to the WH but he is, imo starting to fall prey to carrying favor to keep that access.

He may shake himself out of this. We shall see.
So he's good friends with Susie wiles?
 

WyattEarp

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I think I saw a star where D.C. and area vote above 90% Democrat. It's why the GOP block statehood.
For reference, the more affluent Arlington and Fairfax Counties of Virginia across the river have voted 78% and 66% Democrat respectively. Senator Tim Kaine slightly outperformed Harris. This of course can change some election to election.

Arlington County has 240,000 people. Fairfax County has 1,150,000. D.C. has 690,000 people.

On election nights, commentators typically discuss how the rest of the less densely populated Virginia will offset the Northern counties that our suburbs of Washington D.C. Democrats carry large margins in Northern Virginia. Republicans have advantages elsewhere. It's a competitive state.

The also populous Maryland counties surrounding D.C. gave 80 plus% margins to Harris.

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WyattEarp

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I think I saw a star where D.C. and area vote above 90% Democrat. It's why the GOP block statehood.
True. If you go back through history, it's been easier to introduce two new states with dissimilar party preferences. Alaska and Hawaii in 1959 would be a good example. Nixon carried one and Kennedy carried the other in 1960. One could argue Hawaii and Alaska statehood was also a strategic decision to extend U.S. boundaries in the Pacific and the Arctic.

I think there would be broad support for D.C. statehood if we brought in Alberta simultaneously. ;)
 

DesRicardo

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This last point is fair enough. It definitely depends on the agency and expenditure.

Let's just say the DEI directors and managers are likely not Republicans. Same goes for today's USAID employees.

I still think a very large percentage of Federal employees that will be impacted are Democrats.
Here's the reality, he's laying off from major departments and they are still not done.

You're looking at this in 2-D, I'm looking at this in 3-D. So many angles you are not understanding. People who may not have been motivated to vote Democrat last time now have a reason.

It's an election process. Many counties and states can be flipped.

A month in and he's already running out of rope.
 
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nottyboi

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Absolutely.
So you agree no one should put any trust in a Russian peace deal or cease fire, since they are totally breakable and it would be silly to believe one would be adhered to.
Many people have made deals with Russia that were not broken. The treaty with Finland has lasted for decades, even though the Fins have now stupidly join NATO and become super confrontational. Ukraine was super belligerent with Russia after they destroyed their democracy and resisted every attempt to avoid war. So here we are. The only other option is to not seek a peace and then you will have unconditional surrender.
 

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It's because the European artillery shell is designed to not accidentally blow up in the handler's face.
If that was happening on a large scale on the Russian shells then they would not be raining shells on Ukraine would they?
 

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True. If you go back through history, it's been easier to introduce two new states with dissimilar party preferences. Alaska and Hawaii in 1959 would be a good example. Nixon carried one and Kennedy carried the other in 1960. One could argue Hawaii and Alaska statehood was also a strategic decision to extend U.S. boundaries in the Pacific and the Arctic.

I think there would be broad support for D.C. statehood if we brought in Alberta simultaneously. ;)
I assume that most MAGA will agree with your argument, a more moderate argument that you need to be a commie or socialist to work for the government or something along those lines. Whether or not its true. But the trump/Musk attack doesn't play as a partisan attack. It reads more as oligarch's cementing their control and weakening the plebes financially and socially. Destroy the system that helps them and then that's more tax breaks for them.

I know you were complaining that Rachel Maddow wasn't doing enough to earn her keep.
Does this count, or is this now grounds to be tried for treason?

 
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nottyboi

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Because it is sourced from North Korea with half the powder and even then half of them are duds.
I guess you get what you pay for.
Nonsense. They may have sourced SOME from NK, that were not really great, but they sent Russian engineers over to fix up the process. Ukraine got some Indian rounds that cooked off,
 

nottyboi

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The war is lost. Get used to it.

Ukraine cannot find any more soldiers willing to be cannon fodder, and I doubt any other European country will supply troops.
That been the case for a while If a EU nation provides troops it will be joining the war and Russia will attack them.
 
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WyattEarp

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Here's the reality, he's laying off from major departments and they are still not done.

You're looking at this in 2-D, I'm looking at this in 3-D. So many angles you are not understanding. People who may not have been motivated to vote Democrat last time now have a reason.

It's an election process. Many counties and states can be flipped.

A month in and he's already running out of rope.
Perhaps. Sounds like your sentiment at the very least is for everything to cruise along as always. Trump is attempting to reorganize the Federal government and its impact on the economy and the society. So 3-D is not just looking at employee counts.

Assuming 200,000 Federal employees is accurate that is about 0.1% of the U.S. workforce. As a relative point, this is about how much the Federal workforce grew since 2019.

I feel the Biden Administration tried to change the economy and government's role in it, but ran into limitations. Trump might also face serious limits. The status quo is a powerful, invisible force. It has its own lobby in Washington and Ottawa.

Glad you're rooting against Trump's success.
 
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Nonsense. They may have sourced SOME from NK, that were not really great, but they sent Russian engineers over to fix up the process. Ukraine got some Indian rounds that cooked off,
And India gets it from Russia lol.
They sourced tons from NK.
Millions of rounds. Most of them duds.
Low quality cheap equipment.
Western equipment is costly but quality controlled and reliable.
 

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It's reminiscent of the final days of Hitler's Germany.

Germany had no more men to recruit for the war effort, so they started arming and sending children to continue the fight.

No doubt Zelensky would do the same. The fact that the war is unwinnable doesn't matter.

The Russians were closing in from the East.

Hitler's power, status, and gravy train were coming to an end.
 
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Frankfooter

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Perhaps. Sounds like your sentiment at the very least is for everything to cruise along as always. Trump is attempting to reorganize the Federal government and its impact on the economy and the society. So 3-D is not just looking at employee counts.

Assuming 200,000 Federal employees is accurate that is about 0.1% of the U.S. workforce. As a relative point, this is about how much the Federal workforce grew since 2019.

I feel the Biden Administration tried to change the economy and government's role in it, but ran into limitations. Trump might also face serious limits. The status quo is a powerful, invisible force. It has its own lobby in Washington and Ottawa.

Glad you're rooting against Trump's success.
As an example, Musk is a big fan of Milei in Argentina, who has a similar goal and tactic, in firing civil servants and cutting services.
Do you that's successful and will be successful for the US as well?
Even ignoring Milei disappearing Argentina's gold reserves.
 

danmand

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It's reminiscent of the final days of Hitler's Germany.

Germany had no more men to recruit for the war effort, so they started arming and sending children to continue the fight.

No doubt Zelensky would do the same. The fact that the war is unwinnable doesn't matter.

The Russians were closing in from the East.

Hitler's power, status, and gravy train were coming to an end.
That is pretty accurate. Ukraine has no more troops to send to its death.

Let us see if the warmongers in Germany, UK, France and Canada are going to send their troops to the Frontline. I am doubtful. It is easier to argue for war, if somebody else has to do the fighting.
 
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