Global Leaders Unite to Condemn Trump’s Support for Putin and Meddling in Ukraine/Russia war. Will this end Trump?

[Ceiling Cat]

Will this fiasco finally spell the end of Trump? As his support for Putin and his meddling in Ukraine’s sovereignty spark global outrage, will the American public at last condemn his tyrannical bullying and endless manipulations? With the weight of his corruption and deceit becoming impossible to ignore, will mass defections from his MAGA base begin? The cracks in his cult of personality may finally be showing. Will his cheap and chintzy Trump-branded products become symbols of disgrace, shunned by even his most loyal followers? The moment of reckoning may be closer than ever.

Elon and Trump are intoxicated by power. Wealth alone is never enough for them. These two psychopaths crave control over the world itself. Will there come a day when their misguided ambition leads to their downfall? Will it be poetic justice when their brands become symbols of shame, their once-loyal MAGA followers turning away in disgust? Could driving a Tesla become an embarrassment, and will the lobbies of Trump Hotels stand nearly empty, avoided like relics of a disgraced era? Their relentless pursuit of dominance may ultimately be their undoing.

 

[Valcazar]

Will this fiasco finally spell the end of Trump?

Not sure why you would think that.

Their relentless pursuit of dominance may ultimately be their undoing.

Ultimately, maybe, but it will take a lot more than this.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

Not sure why you would think that.
Ultimately, maybe, but it will take a lot more than this.

With the numerous controversies surrounding Trump over the past five weeks, he may be building a precarious stack that could ultimately collapse on him, but it hasn't happened yet. This latest incident could turn both domestic and global opinion against him. If he continues at this rate, he will soon find himself nostril deep in his own quagmire of sheiss.

In 1994 the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances in return for Ukraine agreeing to give up the nuclear weapons it inherited from the Soviet Union. Part of the agreement stated that the signatories :

- Respect Ukraine’s sovereignty and existing borders.
- Refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine.
- Not use economic pressure to influence Ukraine's politics.

The United States and Russia have violated the agreement. This reaffirms Zelensky's concern that Russia will not honor agreements. Trump has attempted to use economic pressure on Zelensky to get a deal that favors Russia.

Russia has taken the Crimea in 2014, violating the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances. Now Trump is proposing that the war will end if Ukraine gives up these occupied regions.

-Sevastopol
-Luhansk Oblast
-Donetsk Oblast
-Zaporizhzhia Oblast
-Kherson Oblast

 

[Valcazar]

With the numerous controversies surrounding Trump over the past five weeks, he may be building a precarious stack that could ultimately collapse on him, but it hasn't happened yet. This latest incident could turn both domestic and global opinion against him. If he continues at this rate, he will soon find himself nostril deep in his own quagmire of sheiss.

Don't really disagree that stacking up this bullshit is creating pushback and it may eventually add up enough.
But "this one thing will be the end" just doesn't seem valid at all.
There isn't one deciding thing that enough people will turn on him for.
It's going to be a gradual accumulation of things.
The turn will happen before whatever becomes the rallying cry everyone unites around after the fact.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

But "this one thing will be the end" just doesn't seem valid at all.

I never claimed it would happen soon. He may very well complete his term as he has the mandate to do so. However, without public support, and more critically the backing of his own inner circle, how difficult will it be to govern effectively? The downfall I refer to is not necessarily removal from office, but a loss of confidence in his cognitive abilities. I believe much of the world and the American public see him as a reckless driver, speeding dangerously and losing control. The global reaction to this latest controversy will soon become clear.

 

[Valcazar]

I never claimed it would happen soon. He may very well complete his term as he has the mandate to do so. However, without public support, and more critically the backing of his own inner circle, how difficult will it be to govern effectively? The downfall I refer to is not necessarily removal from office, but a loss of confidence in his cognitive abilities. I believe much of the world and the American public see him as a reckless driver, speeding dangerously and losing control. The global reaction to this latest controversy will soon become clear.

Fair enough, but then don't phrase it as " Will this fiasco finally spell the end of Trump? " if you don't actually mean "will this fiasco finally spell the end of Trump".

 

[oil&gas]

Global Leaders Unite to Condemn Trump’s Support for Putin and Meddling in Ukraine/Russia war.


I thought it was the countries in the west, mainly the U.S. plus other
NATO members, who were meddling in the Ukraine war until Trump
wants to grab Ukraine's rare earth and leave the war to Europe.

 

[danmand]

The obvious way to achieve peace in Ukraine and Russia is to stop sending weapons to Ukraine.

If it had not been for the warmongers, the war would have stopped in 2022 after 2 weeks of fighting.

After a million dead, it must surely be time to stop the senseless fighting.

 

[Valcazar]

The obvious way to achieve peace in Ukraine and Russia is to stop sending weapons to Ukraine.

If it had not been for the warmongers, the war would have stopped in 2022 after 2 weeks of fighting.

After a million dead, it must surely be time to stop the senseless fighting.

If Russia had just stopped fighting immediately, or even better not invaded, think how many lives would have been spared.

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

It won't end Trump, but it will continue to make Trump and the United States the laughingstock of the world.

 

[oil&gas]

If Russia had just stopped fighting immediately, or even better not invaded, think how many lives would have been spared.

Had the world sent weapons to Iraq for defence against Bush's invasion like
NATO did with Ukraine imagine how many more Iraqi lives would have been
destroyed.

 

[danmand]

If Russia had just stopped fighting immediately, or even better not invaded, think how many lives would have been spared.

That is correct. There was an agreement ready to sign by Ukraine and Russia, 2 weeks after the war started, that Boris Johnson convinced Ukraine not to sign.
A million casualties would have been avoided.

 

[Valcazar]

Had the world sent weapons to Iraq for defence against Bush's invasion like
NATO did with Ukraine imagine how many more Iraqi lives would have been
destroyed.

I suspect not that many, honestly.
Iraq's problem wasn't weaponry, it was not having a modern system.
They did get steamrolled in about 2 weeks, if I recall.

If the Russian invasion had succeeded in taking Kiev in less than a month, the US and NATO probably wouldn't have done anything about it.

 

[Valcazar]

That is correct. There was an agreement ready to sign by Ukraine and Russia, 2 weeks after the war started, that Boris Johnson convinced Ukraine not to sign.
A million casualties would have been avoided.

Let's ignore your little fantasy history for the moment.
Why does Russia need a peace deal to not invade?
Or to withdraw its troops?

How does Boris Johnson prevent Russia from just stopping its own attack?

 

[oil&gas]

I suspect not that many, honestly.
Iraq's problem wasn't weaponry, it was not having a modern system.
They did get steamrolled in about 2 weeks, if I recall.

I suppose 'They' refers to Iraq's regular army. Well organized and equipped
Iraqi guerilla supported by international efforts on the same scale as NATO's
support of Ukraine would have done a better job. They would be willing to
risk their lives to ambush American soldeiers and passed them to civilians
to pitchfork alive.

If the Russian invasion had succeeded in taking Kiev in less than a month, the US and NATO probably wouldn't have done anything about it.

 

[Insidious Von]

Nonsense.

Trump is a Living God, the Sun doesn't shine without his consent.

Unfortunately he believes that the US economy is in 1950's mode with no one to challenge American hegemony. He cannot comprehend how fragile the American economy actually is.

 

[Valcazar]

I suppose 'They' refers to Iraq's regular army. Well organized and equipped
Iraqi guerilla supported by international efforts on the same scale as NATO's
support of Ukraine would have done a better job. They would be willing to
risk their lives to ambush American soldeiers and passed them to civilians
to pitchfork alive.

You are basing this on what?
The whole campaign took a month.

 

[oil&gas]

You are basing this on what?
The whole campaign took a month.

Based on how poorly equipped and poorly trained 'terrorists' were killed
by Chris Kyle.

Had there been a NATO-like international alliance arming and training the
insurgents a lot more U.S. soldiers along with Iraqi would have been killed.
Thank goodness that didn't happen.

 

[Frankfooter]

That is correct. There was an agreement ready to sign by Ukraine and Russia, 2 weeks after the war started, that Boris Johnson convinced Ukraine not to sign.
A million casualties would have been avoided.

Wouldn't the same be true if Ukraine was instantly given NATO membership?

Norway said they would no longer honour an agreement to fuel US warships.
US isolationism is working.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1895919362705600849

 

[Ceiling Cat]

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