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Frankfooter

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Conjecture.

But you continue to justify terror even though, in the past, you've said, without qualification, that you condemn terror.
You are the supporter of terrorism here, not me.
There were 1,800 state backed terrorist attacks reported during the genocide.
Israelis commit far more acts of terrorism than Palestinians.

Do you denounce terrorism or are you the boards biggest supporter of terrrorism?

 

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Don’t debase yourself again by playing dumb. Everybody can see the legal prohibition along with citations. You are doing your abysmal best in avoiding the text that cites the legal reasons. Just address it. But, this constant trolling from you where you pretend not to see things needs to end.

Remember, as you constantly bleat, unless you can disprove it, you accept it. And none of us has seen you disprove any of the legal citations referred to. You‘ve got courts listed and the dates of the court hearings and the court conclusions. Are you saying that you haven’t bothered to look or you did and now you want to obfuscate?

‘The UN Charter, a treaty binding on all member states, codifies key rights and responsibilities of states. Among these are the duty to respect the self-determination of peoples (including the Palestinians), the duty to respect human rights, and the duty to refrain from the use of force against other states (where not authorized by the Security Council). Israel, for the 76 years of its existence, has been repeatedly in breach of these principles.

A temporary exception to the prohibition on the use of force is codified in Article 51 of the UN Charter for self-defense from external attacks. But importantly, no such right exists where the threat emanates from inside the territory controlled by the state. This principle was affirmed by the World Court in its 2004 opinion on Israel’s apartheid wall. And the Court found then, and again in its 2024 opinion on the occupation, that Israel is the occupying power across the occupied Palestinian territory. Thus, Israel, as the occupying power, cannot claim self-defense as a justification for launching military attacks in Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, or the Golan Heights.

Of course, Israel, from within its own territory, can lawfully repel any attacks to protect its civilians, but it cannot claim self-defense to wage war against the territories it occupies. In fact, its principal obligation is to protect the occupied population. In doing so, an occupying power can undertake essential law enforcement functions (as distinct from military operations). But, given that the World Court has subsequently found that Israel’s occupation of the territories is itself entirely unlawful, even those functions would likely be illegitimate, except as strictly necessary to protect the occupied population and within a short timeline of withdrawal.

In its most recent opinion, the Court has declared that Israel’s presence in the territories violates the principle of self-determination, the rule of non-acquisition of territory by force, and the human rights of the Palestinian people and that it must quickly end its presence and compensate the Palestinian people for losses suffered. As a matter of law, every Israeli boot on the ground, every Israeli missile, jet, or drone in Palestinian air space, and even a single unauthorized Israeli bicycle on a Palestinian road, is a breach of international law.

In sum, Israel’s lawful remedy for threats that it alleges emanate from the occupied territories is to end its unlawful occupation, dismantle the settlements, leave the territories, remove the siege, and fully relinquish control to the occupied Palestinian people.

Here, international law is a simple reflection of common sense and universal morality. A criminal cannot take over someone’s home, move in, loot its contents, imprison and brutalize the inhabitants, and then claim self-defense to murder the homeowners when they fight back. ‘
You have produced no citation of any such law. If there was such a law why did you quote Mondoweiss, a hate site?

Article 51:
“Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.”

There is no mention of location.

Regardless, hamas is an organization, not a territory. Israel cannot be internal or external to the borders of an organization.
 
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You have produced no citation of any such law. If there was such a law why did you quote Mondoweiss, a hate site?

Article 51:
“Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.”

Hamas is an organization, not a territory. Israel cannot be internal or external to an organization.
Palestine is a member of the UN and is under attack and occupation by Israel.
You've got it the wrong way around again.

Like Ukraine, Palestine has the right to self defence and neither Russia nor Israel can claim self defence invading and occupying other countries.

 
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Its not a war, its a genocide .
That is an illogical statement and means nothing. By that logic WWII wasn't a war since there was genocide/Holocaust?

As well, the UNGA has not declared a genocide. They have passed no such resolution

Looks like I was correct in my view that you believe 100% of Palestinians should die, now bolstered by the fact that you label them all 'Hamas'.
every accusation is a confession.
 
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You have produced no citation of any such law. If there was such a law why did you quote Mondoweiss, a hate site?

Article 51:
“Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations,
Glad you back the UN charter and agree that Israel and Palestine must abide by its resolutions.


 
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That is an illogical statement and means nothing. WWII didn't happen since there was genocide/Holocaust?

As well, the UNGA has not declared a genocide. They have passed no such resolution


Oops.
Israel is illegally occupying Palestine, you cannot declare war on the people you are occupying.
I note that you have yet to deny that you want 100% of Palestinians killed.

 

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Members get to vote,
Every day is like this here.
I mean, your leader is a wanted war criminal for the crime of 'extermination' and ICJ charges of genocide are onging.
And still you think Israel is right to kill 20,000 children and commit genocide.
There is no human justification for genocide.
None.

Not for the nazis and not for zionists.

 

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You have produced no citation of any such law. If there was such a law why did you quote Mondoweiss, a hate site?

Article 51:
“Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.”

Hamas is an organization, not a territory. Israel cannot be internal or external to an organization.
If you want to self select stupid, no one is going to stop you

You make it easier for us.
 
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How come Hamas wasn't mentioned? Palestinians =/= Hamas... I could say the same with violent settlers...they don't fall under israel citizens...they are terrorists...
Great, so you admit that Israeli settlers are terrorists and were responsible for 1800 terrorist attacks during the genocide.
And you admit that not all Palestinians are Hamas, which means you just supported a genocide on a concentration camp that is 50% children for what reason?

If Israel supported 1800 terrorist attacks that makes them bigger terrorists than Hamas?
So why do you back them?
 
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Great, so you admit that Israeli settlers are terrorists and were responsible for 1800 terrorist attacks during the genocide.
And you admit that not all Palestinians are Hamas, which means you just supported a genocide on a concentration camp that is 50% children for what reason?

If Israel supported 1800 terrorist attacks that makes them bigger terrorists than Hamas?
So why do you back them?
I've always told you that franky. You on the other hand think when I call out Hamas, you automatically whine that I criticize all palestinians...lol....I have palestinian friends here in Canada. It's not a numbers game franky...if you're a terrorist and use human shields, the death toll will be higher...you support annihiliation of Israel...you are the genocide mongerer...not me. If Hamas leave Israel alone...Gaza would still be standing.
 

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I've always told you that franky. You on the other hand think when I call out Hamas, you automatically whine that I criticize all palestinians...lol....I have palestinian friends here in Canada. It's not a numbers game franky...if you're a terrorist and use human shields, the death toll will be higher...you support annihiliation of Israel...you are the genocide mongerer...not me. If Hamas leave Israel alone...Gaza would still be standing.

Human shield? This is Ziontology genocide. This what you carry water for.

 
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Game? Set? Match? I'm sure this looks like a victory you can celebrate...by Hamas hands...idiot.
Yes, that is a victory against civilians and fully 50% children.
You are such a manly man backing bombing children to death in a walled in compound.
Such a battle success taking on a bunch of refugees with no army with the US paying 76% of the bill.

By posting this picture you once again make it clear that you celebrate targeting and killing civilians.
That, by definition, is terrorism.

You make a fine disciple for a leader the world has charged with the crime of 'extinction'.
Enjoy your success.

 

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I've always told you that franky. You on the other hand think when I call out Hamas, you automatically whine that I criticize all palestinians...lol....I have palestinian friends here in Canada. It's not a numbers game franky...if you're a terrorist and use human shields, the death toll will be higher...you support annihiliation of Israel...you are the genocide mongerer...not me. If Hamas leave Israel alone...Gaza would still be standing.
You just posted a picture and bragged about Israel targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure. You admitted that Israelis commit more terrorism and now you're declaring you have Palestinian friends? Nobody will buy that line.

I expect you would be afraid to walk around with an Israeli flag or to protest for Israel publicly, just as you are probably afraid to talk to your support of genocide to these 'Palestinian friends'.

53% of the people Israel killed are children. This you said 'looks like a victory you can celebrate'.


 
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Human shield? This is Ziontology genocide. This what you carry water for.

Just because some X account posts shit.
We do not know if it is true.
We don’t know what that is exactly.
We don’t know who did it to him. Imprisoned Hamas members are known for doing shit to pali inmates who they suspect collaborate with Israel.
But assuming he was a convicted terrorist, well deserved.


Btw, ever checked how the Chinese treat their Islamists? You should bring it up before the noble ICC. But who cares? No Jews, no news.

I saw the videos of the humiliating circus Hamas put up each time they released the hostages.

Vs civilized way Israel released the imprisoned terrorists.
 
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