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Phil C. McNasty

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Its insane what these small, inexpensive drones can do



Ukraine pumping out kamikaze drones for as little as $300 – and they can destroy tanks: ‘This is modern warfare’

KYIV — They’re small, but mighty — and deadly, too.

The Ukrainian Armed Forces’ reliance on cheaper, more compact drones has altered the look of warfare for good, operators and experts tell The Post.

Instead of the hulking craft used by nations like the US — which cost hundreds of millions of dollars — many of Ukraine’s aerial attacks against Russian forces are conducted with simple kamikaze drones worth between $300 and $1,000.

If flown by an experienced pilot, a 6.5-pound drone found in any hobby shop can carry enough explosives to take out an armored vehicle, Andrii Fedorov, the co-founder and CEO of Ukraine-based Nomad Drones, told The Post on Wednesday.

“If you hit it smartly in the vulnerable parts of a tank, you can even destroy a tank,” Fedorov said. “So basically, you can cause far more damage for a low cost.”

“I think it changes pretty much everything,” he added of the kamikaze drones. “This is modern warfare.”

Drones are common in armed conflicts. The US has notably used them to conduct airstrikes against terror suspects in places like Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia and Syria.

Since the last American forces left Afghanistan in August 2021, the US has relied heavily on drones to conduct so-called “over the horizon” operations, so named because they are done without putting troops on the ground nearby.

What sets Ukraine’s drone operations apart is the type of craft — typically measuring between eight and 12 inches — that can be used and the frequency with which they can be manufactured.

Nomad alone builds “thousands” of drones per month with a workforce of roughly 60 employees, according to Fedorov, who declined to give exact production figures, citing operational security.





 

nottyboi

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If you think that is scary I have seen a demo of a done that can do facial recognition for assassinations.
 

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They conveniently left out the part where electronic warfare equipment is able to knock out drones being flown with RF controls. You are starting to see wire guided drones but they have a limited range and have to carry a massive spool of fiberoptic cable, reducing the explosive payload they can be equipped with
 

Phil C. McNasty

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They conveniently left out the part where electronic warfare equipment is able to knock out drones being flown with RF controls
What if we come out with electronic warfare equipment jammers?? (similar to police radar jammers)
 

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While these cheap drones will work fine in a third world conflict, and this is about that, against a carrier group? I'm highly doubtful.

The scary thing is them being used against civilians. With AI that is when it can get ugly.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Do you mean jamming the electronic warfare jammers that are jamming the drones? Or to put it another way, Darth Helmet using blackberry jam to jam Barf's raspberry jam?
Exactly, turn it into an endless circle jerk
 

Phil C. McNasty

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While these cheap drones will work fine in a third world conflict, and this is about that, against a carrier group? I'm highly doubtful.

The scary thing is them being used against civilians. With AI that is when it can get ugly.
AI with facial recognition. Noone will be safe :oops:
 

seanzo

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Exactly, turn it into an endless circle jerk
I'm not entirely sure that's possible but i freely admit my ignorance where the engineering and science is concerned. I would imagine that if it were possible both Russia and Ukraine wouldn't be bothered with experimenting with wire guided drones. Can't use electronic warfare to jam a fiberoptic connection

While these cheap drones will work fine in a third world conflict, and this is about that, against a carrier group? I'm highly doubtful.

The scary thing is them being used against civilians. With AI that is when it can get ugly.
FPV drones would be pretty useless against a carrier but the larger Shahed/Geran drones could be pretty deadly for a carrier. The Houthis have shown that if you send enough of them in volleys you can pretty quickly deplete the anti air missiles in the battle group, once those are gone a volley of hypersonic anti ship missiles could absolutely sink a carrier
 
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Butler1000

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I'm not entirely sure that's possible but i freely admit my ignorance where the engineering and science is concerned. I would imagine that if it were possible both Russia and Ukraine wouldn't be bothered with experimenting with wire guided drones. Can't use electronic warfare to jam a fiberoptic connection



FPV drones would be pretty useless against a carrier but the larger Shahed/Geran drones could be pretty deadly for a carrier. The Houthis have shown that if you send enough of them in volleys you can pretty quickly deplete the anti air missiles in the battle group, once those are gone a volley of hypersonic anti ship missiles could absolutely sink a carrier
I think the Phalanx systems in a group would make short work of most swarming attacks. And carrier groups carry A LOT of ammo.
 

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I think the Phalanx systems in a group would make short work of most swarming attacks. And carrier groups carry A LOT of ammo.
Phalanx also uses a lot of ammo and have a short range but that's not the point. The drones are the distraction that make hypersonic missile strikes a sure thing.
 
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