Testimony to EU parliament on how Biden admin started Ukraine war.

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Biden the old fox is deep down one cunning guy.

He knew all along Zelensky was not going to win the
war and didn't want him to win. But he still had the malice
to sucker Zelensky into fighting on as long as it took to
to weaken Putin. Biden paved the way to Trump's
money-grabbing peace deal. It is a major accomplishment
of his presidency.
 

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This is a disturbing yet mostly true conclusion...It doesn't absolve Putin entirely though.

This war is very layered and goes far beyond what the lay person can comprehend.

Ending it is imperative and yes Ukraine will probably have to give concessions that are not palatable to their supporters.

The alternative is a slow grinding loss and the utter destruction of Ukraine.
 
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Biden the old fox is deep down one cunning guy.

He knew all along Zelensky was not going to win the
war and didn't want him to win. But he still had the malice
to sucker Zelensky into fighting on as long as it took to
to weaken Putin. Biden paved the way to Trump's
money-grabbing peace deal. It is a major accomplishment
of his presidency.
Not to mention blowing up Nordstream and making Europe dependent on US LNG at a vastly higher price.
 

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What a pathetic nonsensical thread!
Explain why the National Security deliberately withheld the truth and continued to hammer away at what Russia identified as their red lines. Why could he not say it in public if he knew it to be true. Even when they knew 100% that Russia was about to attack, why did they not try an stop it? 🧐🤔👌 Comeon Squeezer you can squeeze out the truth go ahead
 

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This is a disturbing yet mostly true conclusion...It doesn't absolve Putin entirely though.

This war is very layered and goes far beyond what the lay person can comprehend.

Ending it is imperative and yes Ukraine will probably have to give concessions that are not palatable to their supporters.

The alternative is a slow grinding loss and the utter destruction of Ukraine.
Putin IMHO made genuine efforts to avoid the war. In fact, in hindsight even he admits he waited too long and was wrong to trust Hollande and Merkel. At around 2017, Russia had a chance to wipe out a huge chunk of the Ukrainian army in the Donbas. Merkel secured their release. That mistake has now coast 100K Russian lives.
 

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Putin IMHO made genuine efforts to avoid the war. In fact, in hindsight even he admits he waited too long and was wrong to trust Hollande and Merkel. At around 2017, Russia had a chance to wipe out a huge chunk of the Ukrainian army in the Donbas. Merkel secured their release. That mistake has now coast 100K Russian lives.
This is what happens when people jump down rabbit holes of Russian disinformation.
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Putin IMHO made genuine efforts to avoid the war. In fact, in hindsight even he admits he waited too long and was wrong to trust Hollande and Merkel. At around 2017, Russia had a chance to wipe out a huge chunk of the Ukrainian army in the Donbas. Merkel secured their release. That mistake has now coast 100K Russian lives.
Yeah you're a little bit more forgiving than me....Putin would stab you and eat your heart before you hit the floor.
 
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Explain why the National Security deliberately withheld the truth and continued toea hammer away at what Russia identified as their red lines. Why could he not say it in public if he knew it to be true. Even when they knew 100% that Russia was about to attack, why did they not try an stop it? 🧐🤔👌 Comeon Squeezer you can squeeze out the truth go ahead
Reading facts is your friend,

Believing in nonsense and bullshit makes you look like a donkey

What is worse is then being a donkey that smears nonsense and bullshit

See how easlly I can squeeze out the truth

 

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This is a disturbing yet mostly true conclusion...It doesn't absolve Putin entirely though.

This war is very layered and goes far beyond what the lay person can comprehend.

Ending it is imperative and yes Ukraine will probably have to give concessions that are not palatable to their supporters.

The alternative is a slow grinding loss and the utter destruction of Ukraine.
This all would seem obvious to many if they could strip away their disdain for Trump and all Trump's actions.
It's been obvious since 2023 that the Ukraine could not kick the Russians out of Ukrainian territory. I'm not sure why the Russians would say yeah, here take back your territory. Much of it taken when Obama was President. Others still harbor delusions of holding out until the war losses takes down the Putin regime.

Here is a quote from the Wall Street Journal's Holman Jenkins:
Get ready for a lot of ditzy commentary. It will suggest that letting Mr. Putin know at every moment how little we think of him is more important than locking in the gains from his Ukraine failure so the U.S. can shift strategic resources to the Indo-Pacific.

Mr. Jenkins points out that Europe has far more resources than Russia and could find a way to finance continuing the war if it really wanted. He further adds:
In my view, NATO membership plus large-scale rearmament would be the best of all possible worlds. But most NATO members want neither. They don’t want to spend on their militaries and therefore don’t want Ukraine potentially embroiling NATO in a showdown with Russia.
 
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nottyboi

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Reading facts is your friend,

Believing in nonsense and bullshit makes you look like a donkey

What is worse is then being a donkey that smears nonsense and bullshit

See how easlly I can squeeze out the truth

So are you saying that Jeffery Sachs is lying? If you knew who he is you would realize what an idiot you are.
 

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You guys perpetuating the slaughter of Ukrainians are disgusting.
The Ukrainians are fighting for their lives. Surrender means slaughter.
The vast majority of the Russians being killed are being killed in Ukraine.
 
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SchlongConery

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You guys perpetuating the slaughter of Ukrainians are disgusting.
Sorry but I'm not a Russian who invaded a soverign country and are slaughtering its citizens. Russia is TARGETING civilian apartments, schools markets power stations. You want Ukrainians to give up and become Russian serfs like the rest of you vile cowards?

Ukrainians are brave, courageous people. It is up to Ukrainians when they want to stop fighting for their freedom.

ONE man is to blame for, and one man can stop this war and that is Putin.

But I will admit that I am a fucking idiot for engaging with you and your ilk. I'm disgusted with myself.
 
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