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mellowjello

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I'd argue that the war was about Putin's dreams of empire.
Same way trump wants to invade Greenland, Panama and Canada.

Ukraine being a member of NATO was never a threat to Putin, only a threat to his ability to occupy and colonize Ukraine.
There's nothing to suggest Putin has dreams of empire. There's a whole lot to suggest that this is about broken promises of NATO expansion and particularly about Ukraine. Putin said it himself, many times, he was very clear about Ukraine being the red line.
Russia has nuclear weapons, nothing else. War and empire requires tons of money, economic power is paramount.
Russia is still crawling out of the hole they were in after the Soviet breakup, everyone can do the math, especially Putin.
Saying this war is about empire is akin to saying Israel's destruction of Gaza is about October 7. It's a convenient excuse for the West to gaslight their opponents.
 

Frankfooter

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There's nothing to suggest Putin has dreams of empire. There's a whole lot to suggest that this is about broken promises of NATO expansion and particularly about Ukraine. Putin said it himself, many times, he was very clear about Ukraine being the red line.
Russia has nuclear weapons, nothing else. War and empire requires tons of money, economic power is paramount.
Russia is still crawling out of the hole they were in after the Soviet breakup, everyone can do the math, especially Putin.
Saying this war is about empire is akin to saying Israel's destruction of Gaza is about October 7. It's a convenient excuse for the West to gaslight their opponents.
You really think it was about NATO membership?
That makes no sense.
 

mellowjello

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You really think it was about NATO membership?
That makes no sense.
Why doesn't it make sense?
Putin has said it repeatedly, the timeline of events supports that.
He said he would use nukes if necessary because of the severity of the existential threat.
Actually, what doesn't make any sense is that Putin would wage war against the West to conquer more land given their status as a second rate power.
Show me anything that would indicate that.
Crimea is an exception for obvious reasons.
 

PeterParker1000

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You incompetent clowns in the EU. Stay out of the damn way. Let the big boys make the rules. US, China, Russia, or India will inform you morons what to do. You’ve messed up your geopolitical landscape by letting the craziest from the Muslim countries in. You’ve lost your privledges. Sit the hell back down you liberal bastards and close your damn borders.

-Peter Parker
 

Frankfooter

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Why doesn't it make sense?
Putin has said it repeatedly, the timeline of events supports that.
He said he would use nukes if necessary because of the severity of the existential threat.
Actually, what doesn't make any sense is that Putin would wage war against the West to conquer more land given their status as a second rate power.
Show me anything that would indicate that.
Crimea is an exception for obvious reasons.
You seriously think NATO would ever invade Russia?
Really?
 

Frankfooter

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You incompetent clowns in the EU. Stay out of the damn way. Let the big boys make the rules. US, China, Russia, or India will inform you morons what to do. You’ve messed up your geopolitical landscape by letting the craziest from the Muslim countries in. You’ve lost your privledges. Sit the hell back down you liberal bastards and close your damn borders.

-Peter Parker
The US is a coward, bending over for Putin and Netanyahu.
Let the rest of the world figure it out while trump pisses everyone off and isolates the US.
 
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Anbarandy

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You incompetent clowns in the EU. Stay out of the damn way. Let the big boys make the rules. US, China, Russia, or India will inform you morons what to do. You’ve messed up your geopolitical landscape by letting the craziest from the Muslim countries in. You’ve lost your privledges. Sit the hell back down you liberal bastards and close your damn borders.

-Peter Parker
Bedlam is calling you to it's doors.
 

richaceg

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Essentially Vance has achieved the opposite of his intention.

Europe is so angry at its betrayal by the USA, that it is considering something that is very close to direct involvement in a war with Putin.


BREAKING Washington Post: Europe considers deploying 25,000–30,000 troops to Ukraine, not on the front lines but as a deterrent if Russia resumes hostilities.
What type of betrayal are we talking about? you expect US to have a "sky is the limit" funding for Ukraine?
 

richaceg

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Last time I checked the war was a stalemate and Russia was attriting badly.

Doesn't sound like "winning" to me.
Where did you check the "lat time"? As crazy as it is, history tells us...Russia with it's current leadership will keep this war going for as long as they can...Trump admin is trying to end this war as quick as possible...now I know the question mark that always puzzles the liberal crowd is..."that can't be, Trump doesn't care about Urkrainian lives or war, plus he's Putin's puppet...blah blah blah".... one thing we know...Trump knows this war is costing everyone a lot of $$$$. so far $83B from the US.
 
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There's nothing to suggest Putin has dreams of empire. There's a whole lot to suggest that this is about broken promises of NATO expansion and particularly about Ukraine. Putin said it himself, many times, he was very clear about Ukraine being the red line.
Russia has nuclear weapons, nothing else. War and empire requires tons of money, economic power is paramount.
Russia is still crawling out of the hole they were in after the Soviet breakup, everyone can do the math, especially Putin.
Saying this war is about empire is akin to saying Israel's destruction of Gaza is about October 7. It's a convenient excuse for the West to gaslight their opponents.
Actually Putin has repeatedly said the loss of the Soviet union was the worse thing to ever happen and that he desires to rebuild it, and his actions are about getting friendly dictators in the former republics or invasions of those places that want to leave the Russian orbit (e.g., Georgia, Ukraine) despite his signed agreements suggest otherwise.
Carry on.
 
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SchlongConery

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Western militaries have been on the ground in Ukraine since the beginning of hostilities. Poles, Americans, Brits, Germans, French, Swedes, even Canadians... remember that Lieutenant General that was captured in Mariupol after the steel plant fell and was never seen or heard from again? The big difference between that and what is being proposed is that in almost every case those westerners have been wearing Ukrainian BDUs.


What's being proposed here is sheer lunacy, 30, 000 troops is slightly more than a division. One division on a front that stretches for nearly a thousand kilometers is going to make zero difference in the grand scheme of things, whether it's westerners on that front or whether they are replacing border guards on the Belarussian frontier.

Furthermore there's the problem of logistics and sustainment of those 30,000 troop. No one western country can even come close to what the Russians have as far as production is concerned. Even combined it's a fraction of what would be needed just to hold the lines as they are.

People need to accept that the Russians won the war already and the thing about winning wars is that when it comes time for peace talks the winner gets to dictate terms not the looser. The US cutting the Ukrainians and EU out of the negotiations, while hard to swallow, is absolutely necessary in order for Ukraine to even exist as a country in the aftermath because of they were involved no peace will be reached.

This is what happens when you allow a narrative to be spun as truth as opposed to the truth informing your narrative
This is a good example of a need to have a thumbs down icon. I'mm not mad, nor surprised, nor think it's funny. And I don't want to bother replying point by point why I disagree,

Maybe The God Mod @Mod99 ? can add a thumbs down (n) to the "Like" options?
 

SchlongConery

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Who are you Anabarandy. Who are you. Don’t have multiple accounts? There was a thread created on you in the past to find this out.
He'd have to be a really good Chameleon because of his very distinctive writing style. Plus, unlike most others with multiple and rotating and new handles, it seems like he has a real life outside of TERB. My guess is in some sort of gov't /lobbyist consulting field. I don't always agree with his opinions, but I find his posts to be founded in knowledge on the subjects where I have knowledge and/or experience.

PeterParker1000 seems like a reintardation of some other previous 24/7 TERD character who gets sent to Banned Camp on a regular basis. 🤷‍♂️
 
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PeterParker1000

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He'd have to be a really good Chameleon because of his very distinctive writing style. Plus, unlike most others with multiple and rotating and new handles, it seems like he has a real life outside of TERB. My guess is in some sort of gov't /lobbyist consulting field. I don't always agree with his opinions, but I find his posts to be founded in knowledge on the subjects where I have knowledge and/or experience.

PeterParker1000 seems like a reintardation of some other previous 24/7 TERD character who gets sent to Banned Camp on a regular basis. 🤷‍♂️
I don’t know man. You two seem a little off to me. Especially anabarandy. I’m just curious.

I know, it feels like 24/7 lately. I gotta cut down.
 
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mellowjello

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Actually Putin has repeatedly said the loss of the Soviet union was the worse thing to ever happen and that he desires to rebuild it, and his actions are about getting friendly dictators in the former republics or invasions of those places that want to leave the Russian orbit (e.g., Georgia, Ukraine) despite his signed agreements suggest otherwise.
Carry on.
Is that why Trump wants to settle with Russia, so Russia can continue it's empire building without any trouble from U.S.?
Why wouldn't Putin regret the loss of the Soviet Union with the West closing in around him and threatening to NATOize their most important
geo-political strategic position. Courting dictators in former republics to stay in their orbit is not the same as conquering and colonizing,
please refer to U.S. template.
Putin's expressed his condemnation of the West for reneging on commitments to expand NATO after the Soviet break up. He was very clear.
He was very specific about what would happen if the West tried to pull Ukraine into their sphere, it was an absolute redline because of the
obvious existential threat. He was exceptionally clear.
If you want to believe in your own speculations based on vague comments rather than what's in front of you, rather than what Putin himself has said
over and over, be my guest.
 
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Bucktee

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Anyone in Putin's shoes would have done what he did. He had to react viscerally to NATO's expansion.

NATO knew exactly what the consequences would be - war. They went ahead anyway.
 

Valcazar

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It's America's war. They started it, they funded almost the entire thing, they provided intelligence, weapons and ammo. The only thing America hasn't done is send uniformed personnel from the American armed forces into Ukraine to fight the Russians. Putin see's the president of the US as the only person to negotiate with, especially after Zelenskyy's term expired and he has thus far refused to hold elections in Ukraine.
But you said there was nothing to negotiate.
Russia won, defeated American, and could dictate terms.
 
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