"Iran cannot have nukes" Trump warns

[Valcazar]

The essence of the conversation and my point is that the narrative that Trump is a war monger and generally bad person is hypocritical and I used Obama as the reference.

What is hypocritical about it?
Trump is a bad person.

What Obama is is irrelevant to that fact.

The point about his deportation record was related to that as well. Again you can't wrap your head around that.

Yes, you seem obsessed with proving that Obama was bad.
Even sillier, you seem obsessed with proving "Obama was worse than Trump".

Like I said, it is like a Southern evangelical trying to gotcha an atheist.

When you'll compare Obama's 8 year term to Trumps 2 non-consecutive terms you'll see that Obama's record still stands as America's deporter in chief and most wartime president.

Both Bush and Clinton deported more people if you are just going by raw numbers.
But yes, Biden's success in Afghanistan means Trump can't catch Obama in your "how much time of their presidency was there a war on" metric.

I know you know that.

If you disagree how about we make a bet?

What would we bet on?
Deportations?
We'd have to agree on a definition of what counts, and I doubt we would be able to.
I must admit that I'm a bit surprised you are completely convinced Trump will fail at one of his central policy promises, though.

 

[Valcazar]

President Trump was the first president since Carter that did not lead the US into new wars. An inconvenient truth for Trump haters I know.

Depends entirely on how you define "lead the US into new wars", of course.

President Obama came into office seven years ago pledging to end the wars of his predecessor, George W. Bush. On May 6, with eight months left before he vacates the White House, Mr. Obama passed a somber, little-noticed milestone: He has now been at war longer than Mr. Bush, or any other American president.

Yes, this is true,
And Trump's failure to win election means he didn't get to tie this record yet. (He can only break it if he manages a third term, of course.)
But, depending on how you are defining "at war", he still has a shot at it, so don't give up hope!

Now how can such a nice-guy president be at war for so long and hold that record?

Do you know nothing of US foreign policy since WWII?

Answer: because Trump haters give him a pass on that and keep it quiet.

Pretty sure Trump haters didn't go back in time and get Obama involved in wars.
Also, on what planet was it "kept quiet" that the US was is conflicts throughout Obama's time as President?
It was a pretty constant subject of discussion.

Hell, you even posted (more than once) New York Times articles about it.
That's not exactly being "kept quiet".

 

[wigglee]

The funny thing is that whenever someone accuses Trump of lying...the apparent "source of truth" are people who hate him regardless, and fact-checkers that are now unemployed due to political bias. Lol!

And the grown-ups in the room know that you shouldn't have an unhinged meltdown listening to what Trump says...you should pay attention to what he means. That's just his style! Unfortunately it triggers liberals to the point of hysterics. (which is kinds funny as well)

Honourable men say what they mean. Today he said his people cancelled a 50 million dollar payment meant to supply condoms to Hamas ! Do you swallow that lie too? LOL !!!

 

[Frankfooter]

Honourable men say what they mean. Today he said his people cancelled a 50 million dollar payment meant to supply condoms to Hamas ! Do you swallow that lie too? LOL !!!

That would have been 2000 condoms for every man in Gaza if it were true. Turns out they were confused and there was $50 million in STD aid that went to Ingaza in Africa.

Middle East Monitor has a good article questioning what trump's real views on the middle east are, its really not clear. But then again, he is senile.

The cracks in MAGA: the American right is divided over the Middle East

Donald Trump’s return to the White House marked a new chapter in US politics, but it also exposed a growing split within the coalition that brought him back to power....

www.middleeastmonitor.com

 

[Skoob]

LOL.



I don't refuse to accept either of those things. (Well, I oppose casually throwing around "war monger" for lots of people the word gets used for, but that's not really important to the discussion.)
Obama did deport more people than Trump. (Again, it is worth looking at why Trump failed on something he was so keen on, given measuring that in raw numbers is the kind of bragging point he focuses on?)
Obama was a wartime president. ("In comparison, Trump is a pacifist" is just some really weird cognitive damage you seem to have.)

Ok so Obama was involved in more wars and deported more people than Trump.

Thanks for clearing that up and agreeing he was nastier than Trump and the usual narrative coming from the left about Trump being so bad is just biased and uninformed hatred.

Thanks

 

[Skoob]

Trump is a bad person.

So that's where you're starting from.
And then you come up with things to justify your bias.

Confirm Bias at its best.

 

[Skoob]

Depends entirely on how you define "lead the US into new wars", of course.



Yes, this is true,
And Trump's failure to win election means he didn't get to tie this record yet. (He can only break it if he manages a third term, of course.)
But, depending on how you are defining "at war", he still has a shot at it, so don't give up hope!



Do you know nothing of US foreign policy since WWII?



Pretty sure Trump haters didn't go back in time and get Obama involved in wars.
Also, on what planet was it "kept quiet" that the US was is conflicts throughout Obama's time as President?
It was a pretty constant subject of discussion.

Hell, you even posted (more than once) New York Times articles about it.
That's not exactly being "kept quiet".

I've never seen someone twist and bend themselves while trying to come up with peddle semantics to muddy the waters.

You hate Trump. How dare anyone suggest that Obama had a worse record than him for wars and deportations.

We get it.

 

[Skoob]

Honourable men say what they mean. Today he said his people cancelled a 50 million dollar payment meant to supply condoms to Hamas ! Do you swallow that lie too? LOL !!!

Cancelled $50 million payment...that's true. And you get triggered so easily proving my point above.

Trump appears to have made the accusation to frame Gaza as an example of wasteful US foreign aid spending. His administration has justified its suspension of nearly all foreign aid by highlighting examples of “egregious funding”, such as contraception and reproductive healthcare programmes.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/30/is-the-us-sending-50m-in-condoms-to-gaza-as-trump-claims


What he means not what he says. You should understand that and lower your blood pressure.

 

[basketcase]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1883370799626862735

So your defense for claiming Jews control the US government is to post from a twitter handle obsessed with claiming Jews control the government.

Do you care to explain why you keep blaming Jewish AIPAC when you are fully aware that Christian Evangelical lobbies are by far the largest and most influential on the topic?

 

[Frankfooter]

So your defense for claiming Jews control the US government is to post from a twitter handle obsessed with claiming Jews control the government.

Do you care to explain why you keep blaming Jewish AIPAC when you are fully aware that Christian Evangelical lobbies are by far the largest and most influential on the topic?

I know you only except evidence when given by someone Jewish, but fortunately we have a great Jewish example who can explain, once again, the facts you keep trying to dispel.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1884525797324542124

 

[basketcase]

Both were reprisals to Israeli attacks.
The first when Israel bombed an Iranian diplomatic centre, the second when Israel fired missiles into Iran.

Israel should stop attacking other countries if they don't want reprisals.

Why are you incapable of admitting Iran is to blame for their own actions?

And Iran's government is clear that their 46 years of support for anti-Israel terror groups (and their aggressive nuclear program is the cause). The strike on Syria was directly targeting the people shipping weapons to Hezbollah (in violation of those UN resolutions you like to quote) and specifically targeting the head of the terror group that butchered 1200 Israeli civilians and was folding a couple hundred more.

And I was shocked by today's swap that Hamas was still holding Thai farm workers who's only 'crime' was working in Israel.

 

[basketcase]

I know you only except evidence ...

I expect evidence to be things that are true, not racist conspiracy theories.

And I see you carefully ignored my question. Do you care to explain why you keep blaming Jewish AIPAC when you are fully aware that Christian Evangelical lobbies are by far the largest and most influential on the topic?

 

[basketcase]

How am I backing Iran?

You mean other than constantly making excuses for them? But you could answer some questions to clarify if you dare.

1) Do you think Iran's current nuclear program with 15,000 centrifuges and enriching to 60% is justified for any civilian purposes?
2) Do you think Iran getting nukes is good for the world, even though you admitted that Iran is run by religious dictators?

 

[basketcase]

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Being at war for every day of your presidency is something only two presidents have managed, Obama and Trump.
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I think the period of 1961-75 included a few more Presidents .

 

[basketcase]

Exactly my point...compared to Obama, Trump is a pacifist.
...

Trump has isolationist tendencies but instinctively strikes out at whoever challenges him. That's far from being a pacifist.

 

[Frankfooter]

Why are you incapable of admitting Iran is to blame for their own actions?

And Iran's government is clear that their 46 years of support for anti-Israel terror groups (and their aggressive nuclear program is the cause). The strike on Syria was directly targeting the people shipping weapons to Hezbollah (in violation of those UN resolutions you like to quote) and specifically targeting the head of the terror group that butchered 1200 Israeli civilians and was folding a couple hundred more.

And I was shocked by today's swap that Hamas was still holding Thai farm workers who's only 'crime' was working in Israel.

Israel fired a missile at an embassy in Syria.
Only rogue nations attack embassies and yet here you are defending this.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1779955071985283171

 

[basketcase]

That STILL does not justify not letting them back in and then passing ethnic specific legislation to seize their properties. If an army of arabs was headed your way, as if you would not flee. OMG what an effin basketcase.

What a surprise. You just had your argument completely destroyed so you desperately try to change the goalposts.

Arabs (as they were called at the time) who chose to stay and live in peace received exactly what they were promised and today, Arab Israelis (according to recent polling) feel connected to their Israeli identity and want to remain Israeli, even when the possibility of moving to a country like Canada was included in the questions.

And yes, Arab forces in 1949 actually ethnically cleansed every Jews they could including the indigenous Jewish communities in Hebron and East Jerusalem, just like Arab states chased out their indigenous Jewish populations and confiscating their wealth and property.

But you should actually look at the timing of the waves of Palestinian refugees because the vast majority happened when Arab forces were on the offensive.

 

[Frankfooter]

I expect evidence to be things that are true, not racist conspiracy theories.

And I see you carefully ignored my question. Do you care to explain why you keep blaming Jewish AIPAC when you are fully aware that Christian Evangelical lobbies are by far the largest and most influential on the topic?

You are accusing Bernie Sanders, the US's most trusted Jewish politician of pushing conspiracy theories?
You are messed up.

 

[basketcase]

Israel fired a missile at an embassy in Syria.
...

Yes, a location where Iranian terror generals were transferring weapons to a terror group and violating those UN rulings you like.

Iran has been calling for and backing the destruction of Israel since 1979 but you only complain that Israel tries to stop the terrorists.

 

[basketcase]

You are accusing Bernie Sanders, the US's most trusted Jewish politician of pushing conspiracy theories?
You are messed up.

Bernie doesn't say AIPAC is controlling the US government. He calls out the pro-Israel lobby but unlike you, he admits that the power is held mainly by Evangelical Christians.