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JohnLarue

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No.
Asylum Seekers are legal from the point of application for asylum.
This is what I explained just the other day and you are back to square one.
When they sit down for the credible fear screening interview, they are legal because they are submitting their documentation for a legal immigration process.
When I say "accepted" it is that their application is accepted to be heard in immigration court, and not that their petition is approved.
Once accepted and while in waiting, some of these people are released (which is what they call "catch and release").
The others stay in immigration detention.
The ones who are released can apply for social security card, work without employment authorization.
These are all legal provisions even before their case is approved by immigration court.
So yes, they are legal from the point of application for asylum.
they are illegal the minute they enter the country illegally
the democrats brurecrats may have set up this nonsense (above) to skirt the law
but that is not
Its good enough.
your illegals are walking over the boarder and crying asylum to jump a head of the thousands / millions who submitted their application legally.

And please do not pretend/ deny the reason so many feel persecuted in their home country is because they broke the law there

In 1980 Jimmy Carter agreed to the Mariel boatlift and Castro emptied his jails
Thousands of the most brutal thugs in Cuba claimed political asylum and would up in Florida, and subsequently caused the biggest crime wave in the states history.

since then the enemies of the US seek to do far more harm than cocaine trafficking and gang warfare in the streets
911 for example
Those nutjobs entered the U.S. from Canada, a fact not lost on Trump and likely a contributing factor in his targeting our lack of boarder security

if being compassionate requires being stupid , I will error on the side of caution

The U.S. government has an obligation to protect the citizens of the U.S.
you are freaked because Trump takes that responsibility seriously now,
 
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Butler1000

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That is true of crime in general.
We dont know what we don't know and we cannot make assertions on things we don't know about.
We have to go with reported crime.
No, we don't "just" have to go with reported crime. Here in Canada it was discovered that the TamilnTigers were extorting Sri Lankan immigrants for the war back home. It was fairly widespread, and yes in many instances unreported.

And this was within the LEGAL immigrant community.

So it doesn't just affect other illegals. And yes, going after organized gangs is something you do, you don't ignore it just because it's within a minority community.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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No, we don't "just" have to go with reported crime. Here in Canada it was discovered that the TamilnTigers were extorting Sri Lankan immigrants for the war back home. It was fairly widespread, and yes in many instances unreported.

And this was within the LEGAL immigrant community.

So it doesn't just affect other illegals. And yes, going after organized gangs is something you do, you don't ignore it just because it's within a minority community.
So it was reported that the SL community was being extorted by the Tamil Tigers.
If something is reported, you know.
If something is unreported, you dont know.
The DoJ reports, that migrants commit less crime than citizens.
As the top law enforcement agency, they are the authority on this.
You assertion to the contrary while admitting that a) you dont know b) it is unreported c) you have no evidence to challenge the DoJ report, is not convincing.
You are saying that you have a notion that they could be committing crime that is unreported because they are migrants.
That doesn't make sense.
 
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Butler1000

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So it was reported that the SL community was being extorted by the Tamil Tigers.
If something is reported, you know.
If something is unreported, you dont know.
The DoJ reports, that migrants commit less crime than citizens.
As the top law enforcement agency, they are the authority on this.
You assertion to the contrary while admitting that a) you dont know b) it is unreported c) you have no evidence to challenge the DoJ report, is not convincing.
You are saying that you have a notion that they could be committing crime that is unreported because they are migrants.
That doesn't make sense.
Eventually yes, but it was years after. The point being it wasn't in the statistics. But it can be inferred. So imo it's a disingenuous argument. Law enforcement and Governments know it occurs, so to use it as a POLITICAL argument to increase immigration and allow illegal immigrants and not deport them when caught doing crimes(which was the primary policy of sanctuary cities) is hypocritical and a lie.

People know when things are shittier.
 

WyattEarp

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It seems like people in the USA deserve America to be Great Again.
I think it would be good for Canada as well. Canada can get out of its Eurosclerosis-style funk.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Eventually yes, but it was years after. The point being it wasn't in the statistics. But it can be inferred. So imo it's a disingenuous argument. Law enforcement and Governments know it occurs, so to use it as a POLITICAL argument to increase immigration and allow illegal immigrants and not deport them when caught doing crimes(which was the primary policy of sanctuary cities) is hypocritical and a lie.

People know when things are shittier.
It is common knowledge that a lot of crimes go unreported even amongst citizens.
So the same rule would apply to citizens as well.
So in the end it would still hold true that although there are unreported crimes in both populations, the migrant community commits less of them.
Crimes rates have never been used to increase immigration.
Crimes rates have usually been cited as a response to harmful narratives that immigrants are criminals pushed by the likes of MAGA.
The primary purpose of sanctuary cities was not to prevent deportations for violent crimes, but to prevent arrests only on the basis of their illegal status.
If they committed violent crime they can and are arrested and deported even if they are in a sanctuary city.
This has always been the case.
Again, this is a lie pushed by MAGA that sanctuary cities are "harbouring dangerous criminals" as a matter of policy.
 

WyattEarp

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They do deserve that. The problem, however, is not illegal immigrants, but a debt of $37T , caused by imperial overreach.

No signs Trump will address the real problems.
Defense spending is not a big percentage of government spending as it was in decades past. The absolute size of the U.S. defense budget has heft because of the size of the U.S. economy.

So I think this post goes along with all your posts that America's to blame for everyone's problems.
 

WyattEarp

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We don't give a fucking fuck about Trump's popularity. For fuck sake it's not a pageant show!
That's a new way to dismiss Democracy and the Electorate that I have never seen before.

Yeah Jali, who the fuck cares what the public thinks!!! 🤔
 
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WyattEarp

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A leader that gets rid of illegal immigrants and has companies focused on innovating instead of DEI quotas? 🤔
Frankly, undoing the Biden madness is the easy part. It will get more challenging and there will be public push back on some of his agenda.
 
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Butler1000

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It is common knowledge that a lot of crimes go unreported even amongst citizens.
So the same rule would apply to citizens as well.
So in the end it would still hold true that although there are unreported crimes in both populations, the migrant community commits less of them.
Crimes rates have never been used to increase immigration.
Crimes rates have usually been cited as a response to harmful narratives that immigrants are criminals pushed by the likes of MAGA.
The primary purpose of sanctuary cities was not to prevent deportations for violent crimes, but to prevent arrests only on the basis of their illegal status.
If they committed violent crime they can and are arrested and deported even if they are in a sanctuary city.
This has always been the case.
Again, this is a lie pushed by MAGA that sanctuary cities are "harbouring dangerous criminals" as a matter of policy.
Ready?

In absolute terms less illegals means less crime.

What part of that don't you get.

If Toronto had 100 murders, but only 10 by illegals, so what, it would be 10 less murders in the city. That's the point.

And sanctuary cities let criminals go who WERE CAUGHT doing lesser crimes, that doesn't mean they didn't commit harsher crimes they weren't caught for. And either way, they committed A CRIME. That makes them detrimental, not a net asset.
 
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