Liberal party up to their tricks

[Frankfooter]

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

There was talk about the Ontario NDP and libs working out a plan to pick ridings so they could present one opposition to Ford.
I don't think that's happening now that the polls are changing, but that's the only pre election partnership that parties would do.

 

[Valcazar]

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Why?
What conversation or deal would be worth discussing in advance?

Like Frank said, a discussion of not splitting votes in ridings might make sense, but Supply and Confidence on its own in advance seems unlikely to me.

 

[richaceg]

There was talk about the Ontario NDP and libs working out a plan to pick ridings so they could present one opposition to Ford.
I don't think that's happening now that the polls are changing, but that's the only pre election partnership that parties would do.

And that's why both parties are getting destroyed in the polls...their base are seeing their true colors.

 

[Valcazar]

And that's why both parties are getting destroyed in the polls...their base are seeing their true colors.

How is "we understand how the First past the Post system works" some kind of nefarious thing that lets people "see their true colors" ?

(And why do you spell like an American?)

 

[The Oracle]

And that's why both parties are getting destroyed in the polls...their base are seeing their true colors.

Their base is frightened by the fringe which has started gaining more and more influence. They're very vocal and quite nasty to deal with. You can read it on here. Thankfully common sense is making a big come back. It's quite amusing how Carny and Freeland are adopting conservative views to gain favour with their base now. You can't trust them though they've shown that.

 

[Frankfooter]

And that's why both parties are getting destroyed in the polls...their base are seeing their true colors.

The cons rode a year of disinformation against Trudeau to get him kicked out of office. Now Carney looks like the choice and he is everything PeePee isn't, smarter, more experienced, better speaker and has actual policies.

No wonder the polls are turning.

 

[Butler1000]

Thanks.
And found.
Lund has apparently pointed to the relevant section of the rules, but not said more.

Those rules:

In the event that a majority of the Reviewers determine, in their sole and unfettered
discretion, that a prospective candidate has not satisfied the mandatory criteria of this
Bylaw or has demonstrated (due to public statements, past improper conduct, a lack
of commitment to democracy, or other reputational or legal jeopardy) that a
prospective candidate is manifestly unfit for the office of Leader of the Party, they
shall advise such Leadership Contestant of their reasons, and shall consider any
response the Leadership Contestant may have in making a final determination of
eligibility hereunder.

That last clause is interesting in that by the rules they are claiming to use, Arya had to be informed of the reason.
So either he hasn't been or he is lying about it.

I think the whole improper conduct thing is in play because he went unofficially and met with Modi. As things are diplomatically chilly right now that and maybe other meetings came to light that will hurt the brand.

So let's see if the party is willing to publicly admit that.

 

[mitchell76]

A little off topic, but I wonder if Carney has made a deal with the NDP or Bloc if he wins?

Probably!!

 

[bazokajoe]

Why?
What conversation or deal would be worth discussing in advance?

Like Frank said, a discussion of not splitting votes in ridings might make sense, but Supply and Confidence on its own in advance seems unlikely to me.

You're listening to Frank? LMAO.

 

[bver_hunter]

I want to hear from more than just him about this, especially since he won't give any details.

This was the reasoning for his disqualification:

Under Section 4(c)iii of the Liberal Party's national leadership rules, a panel of party officials who vet contenders can find a candidate has not satisfied "mandatory criteria" or "a prospective candidate is manifestly unfit for the office of Leader of the Party."

The party must advise the candidate of their reasons for disqualification and weigh the candidate's response in making a final judgment on eligibility.

The vetting procedure may have discovered this:

His ties to India have raised eyebrows amid worsening diplomatic relations.

Last summer, Arya travelled to India and met with Prime Minister Narendra Modi. A statement from Global Affairs Canada at the time said Arya "travelled to India on his own initiative and was not representing the Government of Canada."

 

[bver_hunter]

Apparently the Liberals haven't even told him. But if they don't give a statement then assuming the worst is on the table.

False, the Panel of Party Officials who vet the contenders are obligated to inform him for the reasoning behind it!!

 

[bver_hunter]

As I said, it's going to be rigged. The ones in are just fluff for Carney.

Not as "rigged" as this party when they conduct their nomination process:

Tory leadership committee was advised not to approve Patrick Brown's nomination

Reasons behind the advice to refuse Brown’s application to run is not known, but were overruled

nationalpost.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/failed-conservative-candidate-joel-etienne-1.6441262

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1883992630239060389

 

[Valcazar]

I think the whole improper conduct thing is in play because he went unofficially and met with Modi. As things are diplomatically chilly right now that and maybe other meetings came to light that will hurt the brand.

So let's see if the party is willing to publicly admit that.

That's the thing.
There is nothing in those rules that requires the party to explain why to the public.
Only to the candidate.

Which is why I don't know who is fucking around here.

(Mind you, making the rule one they don't need to tell the public is just stupid by the party rulemakers.)

 

[Valcazar]

You're listening to Frank? LMAO.

He's stating an obvious fact.
Parties have done deals to drop out of ridings in the past in Canada and lots of other countries.
No evidence they have, but that is a conversation I can see them starting to have.
Supply and Confidence, not so much.

 

[JohnLarue]

A little off topic, but I wonder if Carney has made a deal with the NDP or Bloc if he wins?

I can not image Singh would be willing to repeat what he must now know was a huge political mistake
That said , I would not be surprised if he failed to keep his seat.
Backing a disaster does not inspire confidence

it is strange that the NDP have decided to go with him into an election, especially since the liberals gave them the time.
He will have the stink of backing Trudeau haunt him at every campaign press conference

Perhaps not enough $ available to run both a leadership race and a national election campaign

 

[bazokajoe]

I can not image Singh would be willing to repeat what he must now know was a huge political mistake
That said , I would not be surprised if he failed to keep his seat.
Backing a disaster does not inspire confidence

it is strange that the NDP have decided to go with him into an election, especially since the liberals gave them the time.
He will have the stink of backing Trudeau haunt him at every campaign press conference

Perhaps not enough $ available to run both a leadership race and a national election campaign

I read somewhere a few months ago that the NDP doesn't have enough money to run a national election campaign.
True or not I have no real proof.

 

[Butler1000]

False, the Panel of Party Officials who vet the contenders are obligated to inform him for the reasoning behind it!!

But they haven't. He has stated that. That is the problem. They have not lived up to their own obligation

And for the record the Liberal party has also not stated they have given a reason, just told him no.

Show me where they gave a reason.

 

[Butler1000]

Not as "rigged" as this party when they conduct their nomination process:

Tory leadership committee was advised not to approve Patrick Brown's nomination

Reasons behind the advice to refuse Brown’s application to run is not known, but were overruled

nationalpost.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/failed-conservative-candidate-joel-etienne-1.6441262

You didn't read the article. The public accusations and discovered financial irregularities were the reason. He was in fact allowed to run initially but later disqualified. And the reasons were made public.

Can you explain why Chandra denied? Not speculation, an official statement?

 

[bver_hunter]

You didn't read the article. The public accusations and discovered financial irregularities were the reason. He was in fact allowed to run initially but later disqualified. And the reasons were made public.

Can you explain why Chandra denied? Not speculation, an official statement?

Same as Chandra. he was allowed to run and then disqualified. We will know the grounds for disqualification once he has been officially informed about it. They are obligated to disclose it to him:

Under Section 4(c)iii of the Liberal Party's national leadership rules, a panel of party officials who vet contenders can find a candidate has not satisfied "mandatory criteria" or "a prospective candidate is manifestly unfit for the office of Leader of the Party."

The party must advise the candidate of their reasons for disqualification and weigh the candidate's response in making a final judgment on eligibility.

CBC News has reached out to Arya's campaign and asked if he has received any official reasons for his disqualification.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-leadership-hopeful-chandra-arya-says-party-informed-him-he-can-t-enter-the-contest-1.7442018

But they haven't. He has stated that. That is the problem. They have not lived up to their own obligation

And for the record the Liberal party has also not stated they have given a reason, just told him no.

Show me where they gave a reason.

This will be disclose when he gets formally informed about it. But why have you not commented about Joel Etienne's removal from the Leadership Race although he raised over $359,000 in donations for his campaign?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/failed-conservative-candidate-joel-etienne-1.6441262

Second question is , why do you consider The Liberal Nominations to be "rigged", and how about Joel Etienne's and Brown's removal that they dispute........is that also "rigged"?