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Young girl describes being attacked downtown. "If you live in Toronto, you need to wake up".

that6969

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Tell us something we don't know. Cops hear this stuff daily and it's been happening for years. Lots of mental health stuff just keeps going up. Does she know how many homes get robbed in daylight and cops shrug it off even if you have cam footage usually.
 
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Tell us something we don't know. Cops hear this stuff daily and it's been happening for years. Lots of mental health stuff just keeps going up. Does she know how many homes get robbed in daylight and cops shrug it off even if you have cam footage usually.
The cops really need to wake the fuck up and start doing their job. Same goes for the judges. If they don't go back to putting criminals in prison, people are eventually going to start taking the law into their own hands. If that happens, it will get real ugly really fast
 

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It didn’t have to be this way. Years of catch and release, light on crime, compassion for criminals, legalization of drugs, explosion of immigration will do that. I blame the MFIC, but I blame the people who elected him 3 times. i hope they realize that they asked for this.
 

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Organized crime is already rampant especially in BC. Nothing new. The media doesn't cover stuff daily since they don't wanna scare the public. Especially with things that go down in small towns because it attracts tourists.
 
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I'm no expert, but I have a feeling a big chunk of this can be traced to the Charter. 50+ years ago we had really big mental hospitals where they would house people who could not function in society either because they were violent or just couldn't look after themselves. They could be held indefinitely. You know, like "Cuckoos Nest". The appearance of "miracle drugs" (only a miracle if you remember to take them) resulted in the Hospitals emptying. The Government was thrilled. Those hospitals were very expensive. Prisons are even more expensive. So is the justice system. At any rate, the folks who would have been locked up are now wandering around. You can't tell me a person who "hears voices" when off his meds or has substance abuse/addiction issues is better off camping on a downtown street than being in a Hospital. Whether he wants to be or not. But, he has "Charter rights", and can't be kept against his will. I don't know if this is a "good thing". I only know what I see.
 
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that6969

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It's probably related to depression along with a few other things cause not all of them are on drugs of course. But yeah there's tons of looneys in the cities who forget or don't take pills. In my early 20s I was at a retail grocery store with a friend and some looney was going off so I snapped at him verbally. It was just in the moment, but I don't care for folks like that now. I just shrug it and walk away. I feel bad for their mental state and it's not worth some heated verbal confrontation.
 
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I'm no expert, but I have a feeling a big chunk of this can be traced to the Charter. 50+ years ago we had really big mental hospitals where they would house people who could not function in society either because they were violent or just couldn't look after themselves. They could be held indefinitely. You know, like "Cuckoos Nest". The appearance of "miracle drugs" (only a miracle if you remember to take them) resulted in the Hospitals emptying. The Government was thrilled. Those hospitals were very expensive. Prisons are even more expensive. So is the justice system. At any rate, the folks who would have been locked up are now wandering around. You can't tell me a person who "hears voices" when of his meds or has substance abuse/addiction issues is better off camping on a downtown street than being in a Hospital. Whether he wants to be or not. But, he has "Charter rights", and can't be kept against his will. I don't know if this is a "good thing". I only know what I see.
You don’t have to go back that far. Mike Harris basically stopped funding mental health in Ontario. We are still digging out and successive governments have done nothing to fix the problem except add more people and cut health care to the bone. All the while kicking the can down the road to the next government. The Ontario PC party won’t be happy until the entire system is broken. Then we can start privatizing everything and become like the USA. Which is even more fucked up than Canada in terms of mental health.
 
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.... You can't tell me a person who "hears voices" when off his meds or has substance abuse/addiction issues is better off camping on a downtown street than being in a Hospital. Whether he wants to be or not. But, he has "Charter rights", and can't be kept against his will. I don't know if this is a "good thing". I only know what I see.
You cannot be held against your will but you can be put on a community treatment order "CTO" . If you don't show up for monthly medication injection police are called to bring you to hospital. I don't know where the charter rights are for this? The charter rights exception is made based on doctors opinion of potential self harm or harm to others. The CTO is over used in my opinion. And on once on it it's almost impossible to get off a CTO.
 

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You cannot be held against your will but you can be put on a community treatment order "CTO" . If you don't show up for monthly medication injection police are called to bring you to hospital. I don't know where the charter rights are for this? The charter rights exception is made based on doctors opinion of potential self harm or harm to others. The CTO is over used in my opinion. And on once on it it's almost impossible to get off a CTO.
" If you don't show up for monthly medication injection police are called to bring you to hospital. "
If anyone can find you.
 
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The cops really need to wake the fuck up and start doing their job. Same goes for the judges. If they don't go back to putting criminals in prison, people are eventually going to start taking the law into their own hands. If that happens, it will get real ugly really fast
Even when the cops arrest someone they are usually granted bail soon after.
It’s the bail system that needs to change.
You can thank the federal liberals for that.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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The strange thing about this story is she described the attacker as someone who looked normal.
He was dressed like a businessman from the financial district, and not under the influence or homeless :unsure:
 

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That's the thing, no law can stop crazy or someone with a death wish. I'd rather see them in a mental institute and have no sympathy for dangerous crazies.
 
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