Ramaswamy leaving Trump's DOGE to pursue run for Ohio governor
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He was never a follower. Everyone under Trump will never be President and they are great followers. Exactly who Trump needs to surround himself with. He doesn’t view them as a threat. Vivek is the second in line to MAGA, not JD. He rubbed Trumps minions the wrong way with his alpha attitude. That’s why he was kicked out.
You are partly right but no I don't believe he is 2nd in line to MAGA leadership.
I don't even think he is MAGA.
The MAGA movement is all in on white supremacy.
They will never vote for a brown, non-Christian guy like Vivek.
They dont even consider him American as Ann Coulter said to his face.
He will always be a foreigner regardless of how much success he has in business, or how much he panders to "Americana".
I am sure the MAGA leadership within the Trump team is similarly structured to only advantage and promote caucasians to leadership positions and more subservient non-whites to non-leadership or lower level leadership positions.
They are for sure not going to entertain, or allow themselves to be upstaged or led, by a minority who has the brains and the ambition.
It might just be a blessing in disguise for Vivek to be cut at this early stage in his political career.
He is not an immigration, gender or a white supremacist hardliner.
He may be more of a conservative or libertarian mindset.
He deep down appreciates immigrants, H1B workers etc as his tweet in December suggested. A tweet which irked many MAGAts.
His values don't fit well with the open bigotry of MAGA.
Better for him to go build himself up as a conservative alternative to MAGA and step up when the time is right (when people eventually see through the disaster that MAGA really is).
He’s MAGA 2.0. Trump is returning to how it was in post ww2 America. However the 80s/90s where Vivek and I grew up were great for immigrants. There was a boom of immigration during Reagan, Bush Sr, and Clinton. Outside of the some politically incorrect jokes, people genuinely got along regardless of skin color. Nobody was scared to say the wrong thing, there were two genders, economy was good, and fear wasn’t in the air in America. I was in NY and Texas during these times and it was such a great time. Vivek wants to go back to that, and MAGA will evolve to get us there.
MAGA will not evolve.
MAGA is populist built on anger and resentment of the straight white man.
Evolution is constructive and removes anger and resentment.
This would kill the movement.
Right, it’s evolution. What happened in 2000s was even heavier influx or immigrants, people forming their own distinct groups rather than assimilating, being offended by everything, divisiveness, political correctness, and hate for white males, for nothing other than success. These is where I started to see the first racism in America spread (of my lifetime). The government tried to force LGBTQ and immigration down our throats and not let it evolve. The resentment is justified. They ruined a great social experiment that was America. People loved America when i grew up and were proud to be American, then it turned into just hatred. Vivek wants to get us back there.
People hate white supremacy.
It is a barrier to integration and assimilation.
This is why you had immigrant communities and enclaves in the US prior to 2000 (we have that today too).
America was truly a nasty place before DEI and affirmative action.
So the feeling of less racism prior to 2000 is a facade.
It is because of racism and isolation you lived in a predominantly white neighbourhood which you falsely describe as being less racist and everyone getting along.
The moment that flipped and you saw minorities get more power and society become more diverse you went down the MAGA rabbit hole, because you want to return society to its bigoted ways as it was before.
Returning society to those days is not evolution. It is regression.
I don't believe Vivek is a hardliner that wants to do all that.
He is just a conservative or libertarian.
The MAGA movement will only respond positively to straight white men.
There was even some backlash against JD because of his brown wife just a few months ago.
Which is why he has no place in the MAGA movement for the foreseeable future.
I think you have this misread. MAGA got infiltrated by rich oligarchs.
No need for two DOGE heads. Vik is the odd man out.
DOGE was Ramaswamys idea. He was outspoken about slashing government agencies more than anyone else. All throughout his campaign he mentioned this. Vivek was the right man for this job but the more powerful rich man won.
I dont know about the Indian community as I am not a part of it.
I dont view her in a particular way to be honest.
I have thoughts about JD though.
I think he is a sell out.
I think his original opinions about Trump in 2016 were his actual feelings about him.
I think he just made the call to ingratiate himself to Trump and to the MAGA movement to further his political career.
Which shows he is a small government old school conservative who supports legal immigration.
Not MAGA.
Oatmeal, like I’ve mentioned countless times. You’re always wrong.
I didn’t live in an isolated area in some white neighborhood. Half the people I was friends with were white, the other half were black, Indian, Asian. Indians were the most successful people in the areas I lived in, not whites. One Indian friends dad was a doctor and owned his damn helicopter in his backyard. Texas was an about 1:5th Hispanic in every class. I know you love to believe the media but DEI and recent immigration policies ruined America. It was a great time for new immigrants back then. We were genuinely interested in our differences. Now there is so much hatred and everyone questions what the hell is going on with immigration where they’re the lowest of the low flood our communities, bringing their low class lifestyles to the country. Mutilated kids in classes saying “save me but acknowledge me”. What kind of post apocalyptic shit hole did the progressive democrats want this to be.
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Hatred for immigrants has always existed in the US.
Before it was Irish, then the Italians, then the Asians.
Now it is Muslims, Indians and the Mexicans.
The backlash started with Obama's presidency.
A person of colour rising to a position of power which signaled empowerment of minorities.
That was the turning point, exacerbated by the recession. It is when the tea party movement was born which was essentially MAGA 1.0.
Your entire movement has a singular goal.
Vilify minorities and bring back "white power".
This is why it is disastrous for the US for this group to have become successful.
Perhaps we just have to let it run its course before people see it for what it is.
DOGE was Musk's idea. Elon financially backed Trump with the guarantee that a Department would be given to him.
Vivek was just a donor tag-along looking for his spot as well. He's been kissing Trump's ass since Primaries and still got nothing. lol.
Yes the actual organization “DOGE” was Musk, but the whole concept of DOGE was Vivek. He was pushing this way before Elon even endorsed Trump.
Lol, I see you’re one of the crazy liberals on here. MAGA is a movement that promotes America first. The tech CEOs serve this purpose for Trump. As long as he makes their companies richer, they will make sure democrats can’t touch the social media narratives and censor the MAGA message.MAGA is dead.You really think a bunch of tech CEOs identify with disillusion white kids?
