Harris lost because of support for Israel

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New poll has come out showing that the Harris/Biden genocide cost them the election.
The election could have been won.

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'Damning' New Poll Shows Price Kamala Harris Paid for Backing Israeli Genocide in Gaza | Common Dreams

Vice President Kamala Harris' refusal to break with the Biden administration's support for Israel's assault on Gaza cost her millions of potential Democratic voters. Will the Democratic Party learn from this and listen to its voters who want leaders to oppose sending more weapons to Israel...
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If this is true, then its good news. Either the Dems change, or they keep losing.
 
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I am glad to hear the Biden and Harris paid a price for this. It does gladden my heart that our Southern cousins are not immune to the carnage their govt is causing against their will. It remains to be seen what Trump will do, but you have to punish the deed, and if he is just as bad, you can punish him in the mid terms.
 
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southpaw said:
If this is true, then its good news. Either the Dems change, or they keep losing.
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There's two parties, they both support Israel unconditionally, where's the consolation. Neither party will ever abandon Israel, unless the Middle East becomes irrelevant.
This is U S. foreign policy, the parties and the voters are irrelevant.
 
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mellowjello said:
There's two parties, they both support Israel unconditionally, where's the consolation. Neither party will ever abandon Israel, unless the Middle East becomes irrelevant.
This is U S. foreign policy, the parties and the voters are irrelevant.
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Letting Netayahu run amok like that is not in Israels interest. Trump has just demonstrated this by kicking BIBI in the ass. But we shall see what the next parts if this infamous crime are. Bibi did not get an invite to the inaugeration.
 
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This bullshit again?

Even if the war in Gaza was the main voting metric for all three states, how many electoral college votes would that be?
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Harris recieved 19 million less votes. Was it enough Of a factor on its own? No. Added to a collective of other issues? Yes. A tipping point. The argument is compelling.
 
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nottyboi said:
Letting Netayahu run amok like that is not in Israels interest. Trump has just demonstrated this by kicking BIBI in the ass. But we shall see what the next parts if this infamous crime are. Bibi did not get an invite to the inaugeration.
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All posturing IMHO
Biden was just as guilty of it and... nothing.
I remember when Trump won his first term, Bibi came to the White House, Trump holds a press conference making bold claims that he and Bibi will come to an agreement re: stopping the illegal settlements in the West Bank.
Yea, right. The capital gets moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
 
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mellowjello said:
All posturing IMHO
Biden was just as guilty of it and... nothing.
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Posturing is a big part of politics. Trump has never liked BIBI, nothing to do with him being Jewish. Trump has many trusted associates that are Jews. Also there are many Jews that are against what is happening in Gaza, It makes life and business much harder for them. Biden is MORE guilty. He is Genocide Joe.
 
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nottyboi said:
Posturing is a big part of politics. Trump has never liked BIBI, nothing to do with him being Jewish. Trump has many trusted associates that are Jews. Also there are many Jews that are against what is happening in Gaza, It makes life and business much harder for them. Biden is MORE guilty. He is Genocide Joe.
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Doesn't matter who doesn't like who. Doesn't matter how many Jews are against it, it's all irrelevant.
It's U.S. foreign policy, everyone will pay the price for it... it's not going to change because voters are up in arms. They have no choice.
 
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mellowjello said:
.. it's not going to change because voters are up in arms. They have no choice.
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So if it's not the voters who decide, please tell us who does.
 
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nottyboi said:
This used to be the case, but now they see real hardship speading in the USA while hundreds of billions are sent to fund forign wars. The consequences are starting to arrive.
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The U.S.pulled out of Vietnam in 1973.
The first major demonstration was in 1964, and they went nationwide the following year. How many years of nationwide demonstrations is that? Even the Kent State killings didn't move the needle.
The U.S. pulled out because foreign policy changed when they started building relations with China.
 
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