The Syrian Fiasco… A Case of the “Empire First” Folly in Spades

basketcase

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Please show me where Islamic Jihadis have ever delivered good governance.
Good point, just look at Hamas.

But the reality is they are currently ruling Syria and given the choice between the West having a little bit of influence and Russia/China/Iran taking advantage of them ...
 

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Israel plans long-term occupation of 'control zone' deep inside Syria
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Israel plans to establish a “control zone” 15 kilometers deep inside Syria and an intelligence “sphere of influence” extending 60 kilometers, claiming the new government in Damascus includes “the most dangerous people in the world,” Ynet reported on 10 December.
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Makes sense from Israel's perspective. The US, Russia, and China would all do the same if they were on the border of a HTS led government.

In fact Turkey has done so for a good chunk of the Syrian war and Jordan has backed the US in Southern Syria to reinforce their border.
 

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You are admitting that Israel and the US work with terrorists.
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You mean like negotiating with Hamas?

And no, the US is willing to negotiate with terrorists if it prevents a worse outcome. Nothing evident about diplomatic relations between Israel and HTS no matter how desperate you are to pretend it's all the fault of the Jews.
 

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Makes sense from Israel's perspective. The US, Russia, and China would all do the same if they were on the border of a HTS led government.

In fact Turkey has done so for a good chunk of the Syrian war and Jordan has backed the US in Southern Syria to reinforce their border.
Its a war crime.
Why do you always seem to argue that war crimes 'make sense' when Israel does them?

Stealing more land from Syria will not lead to peace.

 

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You mean like negotiating with Hamas?

And no, the US is willing to negotiate with terrorists if it prevents a worse outcome. Nothing evident about diplomatic relations between Israel and HTS no matter how desperate you are to pretend it's all the fault of the Jews.
For years you've been declaring you can't negotiate with Hamas or terrorists.
Israel was founded by terrorists and continues a policy of terrorism, apartheid and genocide.

That is the fault of zionists and your attempt to tar all Jewish people as genocidal zionists is disgusting.

 

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Its a war crime.
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So now it's a war crime to sent troops up a mountain with monitoring equipment? Okay bro.

Of course you don't consider it a war crime when Turkey has been occupying a chunk of Syria for years in their campaign to oppress Kurds.
 

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For years you've been declaring you can't negotiate with Hamas or terrorists.
Israel was founded by terrorists and continues a policy of terrorism, apartheid and genocide.

That is the fault of zionists and your attempt to tar all Jewish people as genocidal zionists is disgusting.

So you think Hamas terrorists are good (and not terrorists) but all Israeli jews are terrorists who deserve to die. Not anything new there.

And sorry clown but I've always supported negotiation, even as I know that part of that negotiation requires Hamas to accept peace alongside Israel. You hate Israel continuing to exist so you will make any excuse for groups like Hamas who's only goal is the elimination of the Jewish presence.
 

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So now it's a war crime to sent troops up a mountain with monitoring equipment? Okay bro.

Of course you don't consider it a war crime when Turkey has been occupying a chunk of Syria for years in their campaign to oppress Kurds.
Its a war crime when its in another country. Of course you think its ok when Israel does it.
Turkey doesn't claim that land as part of Turkey the way Israel claims they own Palestine and parts of Syria and Lebanon.


 

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So you think Hamas terrorists are good (and not terrorists) but all Israeli jews are terrorists who deserve to die. Not anything new there.

And sorry clown but I've always supported negotiation, even as I know that part of that negotiation requires Hamas to accept peace alongside Israel. You hate Israel continuing to exist so you will make any excuse for groups like Hamas who's only goal is the elimination of the Jewish presence.
The ICJ ruled the occupation of Palestine is illegal and Israel must end it.
Guilty parties do not then get the right to negotiate for how much of the goods they stole they get to keep.

 

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It's a win-lose for Israel. Assad was officially anti-Israel but he made sure that group sin his territory including Hezbollah didn't launch any major attacks and maintained a buffer zone where only Syrian army troops could operate near Israel's border. Israel reciprocated by only targeting Iranian/Hezbollah weapons in Syria. But he also facilitated massive arms shipments from Iran to Hezbollah.

HTS and the factions in their coalition are anti-Iran so it breaks up that 'axis' but they are also less predictable and potentially more willing to back attacks on Israel.
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The ICJ ruled the occupation of Palestine is illegal and Israel must end it.
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And the UN agrees that the only way to achieve that is through negotiations. But you hate that concept because it would require Hamas and other extremist groups accepting that Israel will continue.

p.s. the ICJ doesn't 'rule' they make advisory opinions.

p.p.s. What about the ICJ 'rulings' from months ago that Hamas needed to immediately and unconditionally release their hostages? Or are you going to claim that like the ICC, the ICJ isn't reliable when they criticize Hamas?
 

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And the UN agrees that the only way to achieve that is through negotiations.
Why do you keep trying to argue that a country found to be committing war crimes gets to negotiate how much of those war crimes they get to keep?
The UN issued demands, none of which are to negotiate over how much of Palestine Israel gets to keep.

Why would you argue that a country being charged with genocide should get to negotiate anything?





2. Demands that Israel brings to an end without delay its unlawful presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, which constitutes a wrongful act of a continuing character entailing its international responsibility, and do so no later than 12 months from the adoption of the present resolution;

3. Demands that Israel comply without delay with all its legal obligations under international law, including as stipulated by the International Court of Justice, by, inter alia:


(a) Withdrawing all its military forces from the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including its airspace and maritime space;

(b) Putting an end to its unlawful policies and practices, including ceasing immediately all new settlement activity, evacuating all settlers from the Occupied Palestinian Territory and dismantling the parts of the wall constructed by Israel that are situated in the Territory, and repealing all legislation and measures creating or maintaining the unlawful situation, including those which discriminate against the Palestinian people, as well as all measures aimed at modifying the demographic composition, character and status of any parts of the Territory, including all measures violating the historic status quo at the holy sites of Jerusalem;

(c) Returning the land and other immovable property, as well as all assets seized from any natural or legal person since its occupation started in 1967, and all cultural property and assets taken from Palestinians and Palestinian institutions;

(d) Allowing all Palestinians displaced during the occupation to return to their original place of residence;

(e) Making reparation for the damage caused to all the natural and legal persons concerned in the Occupied Palestinian Territory;

(f) Immediately complying with obligations under international law indicated in the respective provisional measures orders of the International Court of Justice in the case concerning the application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide7 (South Africa v. Israel) in relation to the right of the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip to be protected from all acts within the scope of articles II and III of the Convention;
 

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Wow your claim is dumber than usual. Shows once again that you have no interest in reality as long as you can promote hatred.
You think its dumb to say that Israel trying to occupy and steal more of Syria is a war crime?
You think its promoting hatred to say Israel should abide by international law?

There is nothing you won't defend when its done by zionists.
Why?

 
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