Worst experience EVER...AVOID - Kristina 7397

[laurcass]

I would say ask her before booking your appointment.

I came here to say this.
I’ve recently found better providers and services, with less scams on the massage side of LL. I will usually just book a hh hj to start and see how the vibe (and the massage) is. Most hybrid MAs are open to sharing their services via text if you just ask in a friendly and respectful manner. I’m not much of a stayer these days and usually need more than 30mins to recover for a 2nd round so the MA visit works well for me. It also gives me the opportunity to figure out if I want to book multiple hours if hybrid service is available.

 

[SinnamonFairbanks]

I think she hasn't figured out that attraction shouldn't affect anyone's ability to "service" someone. I'm pretty sure you can tell from reading all the sex worker alt accounts on social media that we're not attracted to like 99% of our clients.

Some women forget that it shouldn't matter what a person looks like and some men forget that not every woman they pay wants to f*ck them. Shocker i know... the woman you have to pay hundreds of dollars to touch doesn't want to do it...

I'm sorry you went through that. Honestly, good service comes with time and maturity. A lot of people don't get into this because they want to.

If women loved it, they wouldn't charge hundreds of dollars for it, you know what I mean?

Part of me feels bad for the lady but it sucks she's ripping people off. Gives us all a bad rep.

I hope you have a better time next time.

You should try a hot older lady. You won't really find all that immature bs with someone older. There are lots of older providers who would never do that to anyone.

 

[William St]

I would say ask her before booking your appointment.

Most MAs are responsive to texting and you can work ou all details by text before the session.

 

[William St]

I think she hasn't figured out that attraction shouldn't affect anyone's ability to "service" someone. I'm pretty sure you can tell from reading all the sex worker alt accounts on social media that we're not attracted to like 99% of our clients.

Some women forget that it shouldn't matter what a person looks like and some men forget that not every woman they pay wants to f*ck them. Shocker i know... the woman you have to pay hundreds of dollars to touch doesn't want to do it...

I'm sorry you went through that. Honestly, good service comes with time and maturity. A lot of people don't get into this because they want to.

If women loved it, they wouldn't charge hundreds of dollars for it, you know what I mean?

Part of me feels bad for the lady but it sucks she's ripping people off. Gives us all a bad rep.

I hope you have a better time next time.

You should try a hot older lady. You won't really find all that immature bs with someone older. There are lots of older providers who would never do that to anyone.

That's absolutely true about the older ladies! If you want a hot experience, see one of them!

 

[William St]

I think she hasn't figured out that attraction shouldn't affect anyone's ability to "service" someone. I'm pretty sure you can tell from reading all the sex worker alt accounts on social media that we're not attracted to like 99% of our clients.

Some women forget that it shouldn't matter what a person looks like and some men forget that not every woman they pay wants to f*ck them. Shocker i know... the woman you have to pay hundreds of dollars to touch doesn't want to do it...

I'm sorry you went through that. Honestly, good service comes with time and maturity. A lot of people don't get into this because they want to.

If women loved it, they wouldn't charge hundreds of dollars for it, you know what I mean?

Part of me feels bad for the lady but it sucks she's ripping people off. Gives us all a bad rep.

I hope you have a better time next time.

You should try a hot older lady. You won't really find all that immature bs with someone older. There are lots of older providers who would never do that to anyone.

Many married women don't like sex with their husbands either. Sex gets done in many kinds of relationships, for many reasons. Sex is not, and never was, all about attraction.

 

[Josephine]

Some ma are also hybrids.

Also .. It is a huge amount of clients that are looking for cheap rates so they keep getting scammed by fakes advertising everything for nothing.

Good services & great look = expensive
Good services & bad look = medium rates
Bad services & good look = medium rates
Bad services & bad look = low rates

You can’t have everything for nothing. If you want good services , great look , upscale incall & well established (safe) , it will cost you. This is a luxury hobby… It’s not Walmart …
Just saying…

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Ali

The beauty of the industry is having all kinds of choices for all kinds of prices. I will always cheer up for the higher end ladies to charge what they want but when it becomes condescending like this post, it kind of tames my enthusiasm. Girls can charge what they want and in no way is this a reflexion of their worth.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Some ma are also hybrids.

Also .. It is a huge amount of clients that are looking for cheap rates so they keep getting scammed by fakes advertising everything for nothing.

Good services & great look = expensive
Good services & bad look = medium rates
Bad services & good look = medium rates
Bad services & bad look = low rates

You can’t have everything for nothing. If you want good services , great look , upscale incall & well established (safe) , it will cost you. This is a luxury hobby… It’s not Walmart …
Just saying…

kisses
Ali

You could have a great looking provider, with expensive rates, provide bad service too.
And you could have a good looking provider, with low rates provide great service.
I have found many providers belonging to the latter category.

 

[KittyCaterina]

You could have a great looking provider, with expensive rates, provide bad service too.
And you could have a good looking provider, with low rates provide great service.
I have found many providers belonging to the latter category.

Yeah, I consider myself in the medium rate category, so according to the post I must have either "bad looks" or "bad service" I guess.

I know quite a few SPs who are at medium rates that have good looks AND good service.
I don't personally know any sexworkers who are in the lower rate category but I'm sure there are many who have good looks AND good service too.

It isn't so black and white.

 

[dynomyte]

Yeah, I consider myself in the medium rate category, so according to the post I must have either "bad looks" or "bad service" I guess.

I know quite a few SPs who are at medium rates that have good looks AND good service.
I don't personally know any sexworkers who are in the lower rate category but I'm sure there are many who have good looks AND good service too.

It isn't so black and white.

This is bang on! I was wondering how providers might view the criteria established in the previous post by Alison.

Another take that may be unpopular with some is that while providers have every right to set their rate and market their business however they choose, but the client still decides if the experience is good and they get to set the criteria for what makes a good experience. Is it the sexual interaction? The looks of the provider? The rates? The "chemistry"? The conversation?Each client comes to this looking for something different. That's what makes a review board so challenging as we can not possibly have a standard for poor, satisfactory, good, or exceptional. I mean, we can't even agree on what the term GFE entails so how could we ever agree what makes something great? The +1/-1 for the GFE thread is almost useless other than to start an inquiry about a provider deformed some.

 

[KittyCaterina]

This is bang on! I was wondering how providers might view the criteria established in the previous post by Alison.

Another take that may be unpopular with some is that while providers have every right to set their rate and market their business however they choose, but the client still decides if the experience is good and they get to set the criteria for what makes a good experience. Is it the sexual interaction? The looks of the provider? The rates? The "chemistry"? The conversation?Each client comes to this looking for something different. That's what makes a review board so challenging as we can not possibly have a standard for poor, satisfactory, good, or exceptional. I mean, we can't even agree on what the term GFE entails so how could we ever agree what makes something great? The +1/-1 for the GFE thread is almost useless other than to start an inquiry about a provider deformed some.

I was a little surprised that so many people liked her post.

I've read many instances of high rate providers stealing deposits, providing subpar service and not looking like their photos (whether true or not.)

It is ridiculous to put us in a caste type system and it saddens me when higher rate providers look down on their peers of a lower rate like we are less than.

Some on Twitter have gone as far as to accuse anyone under a certain hourly rate of perpetuating negative "hooker" stereotypes.

I live in Kingston and while the market doesn't fully dictate my rates, it is most definitely involved in my rate decision making.

 

[Olivia-69]

Ottawa has turned into a cesspool. You run down Leo's List, and nearly every one is '"send me a $50 deposit" you say you don't do depo's, they say 'ok, just $20, that's not much", and you can be sure as shit in a cat, you're not meeting anyone. There are maybe, a dozen reliable providers in this City, which is madness for a population of one million. It's not just the scammers, liars, thieves, we the clients haven't done ourselves any favors. I saw a provider in Niagara Falls recently. Reasonable price, used fake pics, but had the same body as the pics (that's an old school trick, not many ladies like having their images all over the net, those that do....well instagram has changed lots of things), so I ask her if she'll come to Ottawa? "No F'N way, the guys there are cheap and creepy and they all want bare back". So, there you have it. Over the last ten years the talent, the variety, the safety of the hobby has gone right in the shitter. And I don't see it coming back. Now, as the economy tanks, things might change. But gone are the days of good fun for a good price with good women (this excludes the few providers who ARE reliable here, god bless every one of them). It may change, but, as I've said before, anywhere but here looks better and better.

The primary reason I charge higher rates is that I want to, and doing so has always been beneficial based on my annual income data and life goals. Additionally, it helps me avoid messages from unwanted clients, time-wasters, and scammers. When I previously charged lower rates, my direct messages/emails/phone texts were often filled with men wasting my time and scammers. Time wasters are usually men who message me without intending to book or pay for online services. They essentially want to take your time for free.

In September 2023, I set higher rates (although I have always had a deposit policy since 2018), and my experience has been incredible. Based on feedback from my regular clients, the market in Ottawa seems to be becoming challenging and dangerous. Men tend to be attracted to new or unverified providers, sometimes leading to scamming experiences.

I always advise men to trust their instincts and research about the sw before making a deposit. I know you are horny and cannot think sometimes, but come down and make a deep search. A reputable companion has much more to lose than a fake profile. My opinion is based on my experience, which may differ from other companions, as we don’t always have the same clients.

 

[BeastKingGoLion]

Genuinely curious how many users of the board seek actual agreement for the very reasons you laid out. The value of the board seems less about seeking agreement and validation and more in shared experience which helps to know and build on TOFTT. Although must also admit some interesting discourse that draws provider perspective which is also valuable.

 

[Olivia-69]

I was a little surprised that so many people liked her post.

I've read many instances of high rate providers stealing deposits, providing subpar service and not looking like their photos (whether true or not.)

It is ridiculous to put us in a caste type system and it saddens me when higher rate providers look down on their peers of a lower rate like we are less than.

Some on Twitter have gone as far as to accuse anyone under a certain hourly rate of perpetuating negative "hooker" stereotypes.

I live in Kingston and while the market doesn't fully dictate my rates, it is most definitely involved in my rate decision making.

Caterina,

I completely understand how you might feel. As a Black Canadian companion, I have gone through similar experiences. Ultimately, I realized that it's important to focus on our business and what truly matters to us. Some people are perfectly comfortable working with volume and charging lower rates, while others, like myself, are no longer mentally comfortable doing that.

However, I don't believe that rates define our value, and I would never look down on a companion who charges less. We are all human, and some individuals may feel a sense of pride when they reach certain goals, whether that means higher rates, a better clientele, travel dates, or simply lower volume, among other things.

 

[dynomyte]

It is sad to read that some SWers will look down on or treat negatively other SWers who charge less. Much like clients need to respect a lady's right to charge what they want so too must the others in the industry. Your business, your rates. No one should tell you otherwise. Maybe this is why so many are vocal about higher rates if they have the sense that ladies are bullying other ladies to raise their rates??? I don't know, but I don't believe that both situations are very toxic and tarnish and otherwise wonderful experience.

 

[BeastKingGoLion]

It is sad to read that some SWers will look down on or treat negatively other SWers who charge less. Much like clients need to respect a lady's right to charge what they want so too must the others in the industry. Your business, your rates. No one should tell you otherwise. Maybe this is why so many are vocal about higher rates if they have the sense that ladies are bullying other ladies to raise their rates??? I don't know, but I don't believe that both situations are very toxic and tarnish and otherwise wonderful experience.

Providers aside look no further than the disdain members of this board display towards those who are willing to pay rates higher than they wish to. Some will say “looks great out of price range” which should be where it ends

 

[KittyCaterina]

Caterina,

I completely understand how you might feel. As a Black Canadian companion, I have gone through similar experiences. Ultimately, I realized that it's important to focus on our business and what truly matters to us. Some people are perfectly comfortable working with volume and charging lower rates, while others, like myself, are no longer mentally comfortable doing that.

However, I don't believe that rates define our value, and I would never look down on a companion who charges less. We are all human, and some individuals may feel a sense of pride when they reach certain goals, whether that means higher rates, a better clientele, travel dates, or simply lower volume, among other things.

The assumption that medium or lower rates equals high volume is not always true.

I am low volume at medium rates and very happy with my situation, so I understand having better mental health when taking only what you can mentally, physically and emotionally handle.

I can never understand what you have had to deal with as a Black Canadian Companion and I won't ever pretend to.
I can only empathize and not contribute to stigma or stereotypes regarding sexworkers of colour.

Thanks for your response.

 

[Olivia-69]

Providers aside look no further than the disdain members of this board display towards those who are willing to pay rates higher than they wish to. Some will say “looks great out of price range” which should be where it ends

The discussions about rates and complaints will always persist; that's just how the market functions.

 

[BeastKingGoLion]

Can only imagine a forum exclusively for providers, guarded tighter than Fort Knox, but a haven to discuss punters with all of their good, bad, and ugly. Maybe even who are the preferred gold standard.
Reportedly rumoured to exist

 

[Hughlongly]

The primary reason I charge higher rates is that I want to, and doing so has always been beneficial based on my annual income data and life goals. Additionally, it helps me avoid messages from unwanted clients, time-wasters, and scammers. When I previously charged lower rates, my direct messages/emails/phone texts were often filled with men wasting my time and scammers. Time wasters are usually men who message me without intending to book or pay for online services. They essentially want to take your time for free.

In September 2023, I set higher rates (although I have always had a deposit policy since 2018), and my experience has been incredible. Based on feedback from my regular clients, the market in Ottawa seems to be becoming challenging and dangerous. Men tend to be attracted to new or unverified providers, sometimes leading to scamming experiences.

I always advise men to trust their instincts and research about the sw before making a deposit. I know you are horny and cannot think sometimes, but come down and make a deep search. A reputable companion has much more to lose than a fake profile. My opinion is based on my experience, which may differ from other companions, as we don’t always have the same clients.

That's a reasonable response. Setting higher rates does have the effect of screening out the shit-heads. There's a nugget of gold in here: your regular clients. If you have regular clients it means, or it should mean from a market point of view, that you are reliable, safe, and reasonable provider. All things considered, from a business point of view this is exact what is needed. And it sounds like your clients are also reliable, safe and reasonable. That's really all anyone is asking for on either end of the exchange. It's blood ridiculous that we live in a country where providers/clients are in fear of charges/violence/theft, you name it. Consenting adults, in a fair exchange of services, as dictated by the market, should never be hindered, this industry is no different than any other.

 

[Olivia-69]

That's a reasonable response. Setting higher rates does have the effect of screening out the shit-heads. There's a nugget of gold in here: your regular clients. If you have regular clients it means, or it should mean from a market point of view, that you are reliable, safe, and reasonable provider. All things considered, from a business point of view this is exact what is needed. And it sounds like your clients are also reliable, safe and reasonable. That's really all anyone is asking for on either end of the exchange. It's blood ridiculous that we live in a country where providers/clients are in fear of charges/violence/theft, you name it. Consenting adults, in a fair exchange of services, as dictated by the market, should never be hindered, this industry is no different than any other.

Mention:
Setting higher rates does have the effect of screening out the shit-heads.

Answer:
From my experience, I’ve found that setting lower rates makes me more appealing to potential clients. It creates an inviting vibe, which leads to lots of emails, messages on social media, and texts from people interested and not interested in my services. However, this also means I get contacted by A LOT OF scammers and time wasters. INCLUDING CLIENTS WHO “DONT READ” information including screening and rates before reaching out. The price is not significant; so psychologically they would pay less attention to reading the information.

I've found that setting higher rates creates a natural filter, almost like a barrier! It means I get fewer inquiries, but the ones that do come through are usually from clients who are serious and ready to invest in our time. This has been such a valuable lesson from my experiences, and I really appreciate it!!! It takes a lot of mental strength, but once you know what you want the rest doesn't matter.

Mention:
If you have regular clients it means, or it should mean from a market point of view, that you are reliable, safe, and reasonable provider. All things considered, from a business point of view this is exact what is needed. And it sounds like your clients are also reliable, safe and reasonable.

Answer:
I've noticed that my clients really appreciate when providers take the time to screen their clients. They tend to prefer a lower volume approach, as it helps them feel safe and comfortable, which is important for me as well. Some men dont get/know this but a certain group of clients are genuinely attracted to beautiful women who not only charge higher rates but also take screening seriously. It’s all about building trust and making sure everyone feels secure! Yes they would have a chance to meet the woman who intrigued them, and if the experience is not good or she doesn’t “fuck” well or give “amazing blow job” they would simply not book her again. But if the men can afford high price and appreciate the companion, there is nothing that would stop him doing it it. They don't wait for reviews to book a companion, and prefer exclusive services and companionship…

My conclusion is that no matter the price a companion charges, as long as she/he is professional, knows the type of services she/he wants to offer, and enjoys it with confidence, she/he will succeed. It takes time to build a clientele list(tourings, money lost/wastes, low rates at first, time sacrifed, physical and mental health, etc…)