Liberals Ban Hundreds More Types of Firearms

[GameBoy27]

Yes. If the government who has a process to inventory guns loses that many, how many do you think "law abiding' gun owners have lost.

But sure, go ahead and move those goalposts once the game is over.

Not sure, but the vast majority of gun used in crimes in Ontario come from the US.

Canadian police chiefs say such cases also show the limits of their government's domestically focused policies to fight gun violence, such as a freeze on handgun purchases, when it has the world's largest civilian gun market on its doorstep.

"We really think that restricting lawful handgun ownership doesn't meaningfully address the real issue, which is illegal handguns obtained from the United States," said Evan Bray, police chief in Regina, capital of Saskatchewan province.

Canada's gun homicide rate in 2020 was an eighth of the rate in the United States, where rules on buying firearms are looser, but it's higher than the rates of many other rich countries and has been rising, according to data from Statistics Canada.

Exclusive data obtained by Reuters for Ontario, Canada's most populous province, shows that when handguns involved in crimes were traced in 2021, they were overwhelmingly - 85% of the time - found to have come from the United States.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/in-fighting-gun-crime-canada-has-an-american-problem-1.6004198

 

[cunning linguist]

If police were allowed spot-checks

Police are allowed spot checks, they're just pointless to do for no reason.

Like I've previously said, funny how people who think carding is discriminatory have no problem treating gun owners that way.

On top of the fake moose hunting story, that you aren't aware of this makes me question if you even have your PAL.

 

[GameBoy27]

If police were allowed spot-checks, maybe we'd have an exact answer but based on comments from alleged gun owners on here, many refuse to follow the law.

I have absolutely no problem with actual 'legal gun owners', hunting, or target shooting but most of the complaints about gun laws are simply NRA spillovers from people who don't understand that US and Canadian gun laws are extremely different, even down to the function guns play.

As an analogy, I am happy that sex work is legal in Canada and purchasing it is defacto legal but I fully understand why streetwalkers and sex in public aren't.

The vast majority of Canadian gun owners are very aware of the rules and regs. For the most part, they're not the ones people should be worried about.

 

[basketcase]

The vast majority of Canadian gun owners are very aware of the rules and regs. For the most part, they're not the ones people should be worried about.

Yet every single one who chooses to keep their gun loaded for self defense or every owner who chooses not to properly lock up their guns isn't law abiding and is increasing the chances of their gun being accidentally discharged or taken by someone who will use it for criminal purposes. There are a wide variety of estimates of the sources of guns used in crimes but some data has Canadian owned guns either being stolen or sold illegally making up from 20%-60%.

And that doesn't change the fact that under the standards of Canadian law, semi-auto rifles serve very little legitimate purpose in civilian hands.

 

[basketcase]

Police are allowed spot checks, they're just pointless to do for no reason.

Like I've previously said, funny how people who think carding is discriminatory have no problem treating gun owners that way.

On top of the fake moose hunting story, that you aren't aware of this makes me question if you even have your PAL.

And still the excuses because you know that there is no legitimate need for civilians in the Canadian context to own semi-auto long guns, especially with the 5 round cartridge.

 

[basketcase]

So you think pests show up one at a time to a privately owned farm, but somehow only swarm in the presence of wildlife officers?

Still unable to tell the difference between civilian and governmental functions?

How many semi-auto guns do you own and how many times have you needed to deal with herds of feral hogs?

 

[cunning linguist]

And still the excuses because you know that there is no legitimate need for civilians in the Canadian context to own semi-auto long guns, especially with the 5 round cartridge.

I agree that magazine limitations are stupid. I'd love to get rid of those too.

Semi-auto was the compromise, "assault style" is some conspiracy theory-level disinformation being spread to sway an ignorant populace. When those are gone, the next buzz word will be "sniper rifle" to demonize bolt action rifles; there are already hunting rifles on the new prohibited lists.

 

[basketcase]

I agree that magazine limitations are stupid. I'd love to get rid of those too.
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An admission that you are more interested in your hobby of shooting things quickly than you are about Canadian law which is based on utility.

I don't care what you want to call guns but having to wait a second before shooting again doesn't impact civilian life.

 

[cunning linguist]

Still unable to tell the difference between civilian and governmental functions?

How many semi-auto guns do you own and how many times have you needed to deal with herds of feral hogs?

Yeah, the difference is rules for thee, not for me. How can a group of people claim to be held to a higher standard when they're exempt from the laws they're supposed to uphold?

Where are the unsafe storage charges for the officers and clerks who have lost over 200 guns?

Or this?

Police searching for missing riot gear find their chief's gun under car seat

Chief Jamie Graham chastised for leaving service pistol in vehicle to attend a news conference

www.theglobeandmail.com

Or this?

https://dennisryoung.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/813-Guns-Lost-and-Stolen-from-Police-and-Public-Agencies-July-3-2019.pdf

There are a couple of million PAL holders in Canada, under 100,000 LE; civilians have a better track record.

 

[cunning linguist]

An admission that you are more interested in your hobby of shooting things quickly than you are about Canadian law which is based on utility.

I don't care what you want to call guns but having to wait a second before shooting again doesn't impact civilian life.

Canadian firearm law isn't based on utility, it's punitive.

But from a pragmatic viewpoint, it's also a gigantic waste of money. Remember the billions sunk into the long gun registry? How about the tens of millions wasted now over the consultation for a buy back boondoggle?

Any time Liberals announce a new gun control scheme, it's a ploy to virtue signal and burn money.

 

[cunning linguist]

And still the excuses because you know that there is no legitimate need for civilians in the Canadian context to own semi-auto long guns, especially with the 5 round cartridge.

Excuses? That's the pot calling the kettle black.

You haven't been able to explain why you're not even aware that PAL holders residences can be searched, despite [bullshit] "allegedly being a shooter yourself." [/bullshit]

So on top of your fake moose hunting story, you've gone from little to zero credibility.

 

[GameBoy27]

Yet every single one who chooses to keep their gun loaded for self defense or every owner who chooses not to properly lock up their guns isn't law abiding and is increasing the chances of their gun being accidentally discharged or taken by someone who will use it for criminal purposes. There are a wide variety of estimates of the sources of guns used in crimes but some data has Canadian owned guns either being stolen or sold illegally making up from 20%-60%.

And that doesn't change the fact that under the standards of Canadian law, semi-auto rifles serve very little legitimate purpose in civilian hands.

“Exclusive data obtained by Reuters for Ontario, Canada's most populous province, shows that when handguns involved in crimes were traced in 2021, they were overwhelmingly - 85% of the time - found to have come from the United States.”

Here’s a simple question. When was the last time someone was shot in Toronto with one of the guns on the list of banned weapons?

 

[basketcase]

“Exclusive data obtained by Reuters for Ontario, Canada's most populous province, shows that when handguns involved in crimes were traced in 2021, they were overwhelmingly - 85% of the time - found to have come from the United States.”

Here’s a simple question. When was the last time someone was shot in Toronto with one of the guns on the list of banned weapons?

As I said, different studies have a wide variety of conclusions.

As to your question, I don't have the data. Neither do you.

 

[basketcase]

Yeah, the difference is rules for thee, not for me. ...

Yes. That's how society works. The government has options the rest of us don't and we get to vote for who runs that government. Are you some kind of sovereign citizen?

And they aren't exempt. The law allows them to use those guns. Again, you're arguing that it's unfair that the Army gets top use Leopard 2's and you can't.

 

[basketcase]

Canadian firearm law isn't based on utility, it's punitive.
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You seem to have the opinion that any law you don't like is punitive. Are you upset we live in a form of democracy?

Laws state what is allowed. The punishment is only if you refuse to follow the law.

 

[basketcase]

Excuses? That's the pot calling the kettle black.

You haven't been able to explain why you're not even aware that PAL holders residences can be searched, despite [bullshit] "allegedly being a shooter yourself." [/bullshit]

So on top of your fake moose hunting story, you've gone from little to zero credibility.

Ah, the excuses. If all you can do is knit pick wording, you really have no point to argue. The reality is police don't do spot checks. In extreme cases where there is other criminal activity or mental health crisis, they might use that wording to remove guns but it's not something that happens.

And it doesn't change that the only argument you've backed up is you want guns and don't like the government making laws without your approval.

 

[cunning linguist]

Ah, the excuses. If all you can do is knit pick wording, you really have no point to argue. The reality is police don't do spot checks. In extreme cases where there is other criminal activity or mental health crisis, they might use that wording to remove guns but it's not something that happens.

And it doesn't change that the only argument you've backed up is you want guns and don't like the government making laws without your approval.

You needed two days to respond. Guess you had to call your "hunting buddy" for clarification.

Police can do spot checks, to say otherwise is disingenuous. You're the one nit picking because it doesn't happen enough for your liking. But of course it doesn't happen on a regular basis, why should it? PAL holders are already checked in CPIC daily, why waste sending a cruiser over to check a safe when there hasn't been a credible threat established?

Liberals have already wasted 60 million dollars on consulting a buy back boondoggle. The actual buy back is projected to be in the nighbourhood of 800 million.

So for the past 4 years, these guns have been "too dangerous" to own and use. But since they haven't come up with an expensive enough buy back scheme yet, the only legal option has been for owners to keep storing them.

Pretzel logic.

The gun issue has been a Liberal boogyman so they can continue to be invited to a photo op every December, in Montreal and to use as a wedge issue when it's election time. Except crime has gone up during Trudeau's tenure, so he can't even argue it's for public safety.

 

[GameBoy27]

As I said, different studies have a wide variety of conclusions.

As to your question, I don't have the data. Neither do you.

See the data below. It wasn't hard to find. It also proves my point. Trudeau's wasting time and money banning something that's not the number one issue. But typical for him and the Liberals.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-005-x/2022001/article/00002-eng.htm

 

[Bucktee]

Quick, someone tell Top5 that more guns are banned.

Toronto rapper 'Top5' set free after judge dismisses evidence in 2021 slaying

A Toronto rapper who was charged in a fatal 2021 shooting has been released after a judge dismissed social media evidence in the case.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

I'm sure the ban will keep him and all his fellows on the right side of the law.

 

[basketcase]

You needed two days to respond.

I'm not franky, logged on to here 24/7. Some days I do this thing like pretend I have a social life.

And still waiting for the reasons why you "need" a semi-auto rifle.