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United Healthcare CEO shot and killed in Manhattan

mandrill

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Our system is far from perfect, but considering what I hear from Americans, it is significantly superior. Sure, you might need to wait a ridiculously long time to get something like knee replacement surgery or a non-critical diagnostic like and MRI for some aliment. But, if you are in the shit, you get critical care immediately.

In the US, so many people are chained to their work because they need the insurance. And they pay crazy amounts for it AND still need to cover major costs for emergencies. There is a reason why they are the only industrialized country to not have socialized medicine. The rich love having the ability to get anything they want at any time, while the poor hope they can afford to get insulin...
Let me recite a story. Some years ago, I got retained by a lady who had had an affaire with a California man and had a kid by him. We sued for child support. The father was senior admin at a small county hospital around Fresno. I figured he probably pulled $250k a year and thought my client had hit the jackpot in her support claim.

Turns out the guy earned US$1.5 million for his little pissy admin job. That's $2M Canadian!

People in health care in the USA earn astronomical fucking money! There's a reason that the States will never have a proper health care system. Every politician in Congress must be taking from the health care and health insurance industries. The scale of corruption must be all-encompassing and just fucking ginormous!! 💸💸💸💸
 

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US is a beast compared to Canada especially population wise. I've started a small business up here solely as e-commerce, but I'm more so interested in the US market if things go well in the long run.

Health care tends to make a killing especially in the States. People easily get addicted to pain killers too. I forget the numbers but things like Oxy are still on the rise of course. The government grins easily knowing how addicting certain products are and they know the outcome generally. All the research has been done and they know the numbers lol. Stuff like that isn't shocking anymore after I researched stuff here or there, but I generally don't care. You gotta be mentally fit to know how the general world operates of course. Just look what happened to Bernie Madoff...most wealthy Americans are full of greed. Investing money into someone who basically guaranteed a decent return lmfao.
 
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I believe Warren Buffet made millions doing insurance also IIRC. It's just not heavily talked about compared to doing your own research online.
True at one point Berkshire Hathaway did in fact invest/own some health care companies.

The biggest problem in the USA is that there is NEVER an honest conversation about health care and insurance. The companies mislead like crazy, and some advocate groups take a rare situation and blow it up as if it is normal.
I've never heard a eulogy in Australia where the line "then they had to sell the house" was used.
 

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I priced my blood cancer medication which is 100% covered by OHIP, it comes out to $7944.00 for 120 capsules. In the States it costs $15,874 for the same amount of capsules. That lasts approximately a month.


French types on this board call DA BERN a nutjob, he makes sense to me.

 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Thus a women who got uterine cancer got her insurance canceled because the insurance team claimed she failed to report having been treated for acne when she was 14, thus committed fraud in her application.
All those insurance agents that cancelled that woman's insurance deserve to be executed.
 

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Nice kill footage. Target is stalked, absorbs the first shot and staggers. Killer clears a jam (!!!!!!!) and tells a bystander to fuck off (!!!!!!) and then unloads the mag into the deceased.

All in front of street security camera.

What sort of incompetent fucker uses a piece that jams?!?!?!? 🔫
I'm open to be wrong but he researched & he knew what he was doing. He used sub-sonic rounds so as not to trigger off the gunshot microphones in New York. Apparently, if you use subsonic rounds with a suppressor, the kick is not strong enough to load the next round. Not a jam, he manually recycled the gun. Three times I think? Huh.
 
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A lot of the poor being misdirected as to why they're poor.
Once inequality gets too extreme the poor, who are armed, will find out, and someone like Huey Long will come along as did Glen Beck or Rush from the right to focus them onto the super rich malefactors, and then this shit will happen more and more.
I hate to even contemplate this. Nor am I endorsing or supporting it. But I am fearing it.
 
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A lot of the poor being misdirected as to why they're poor.
Once inequality gets too extreme the poor, who are armed, will find out, and someone like Huey Long will come along as did Glen Beck or Rush from the right to focus them onto the super rich malefactors, and then this shit will happen more and more.
I hate to even contemplate this. Nor am I endorsing or supporting it. But I am fearing it.
Why the fear, for who?
 

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A lot of the poor being misdirected as to why they're poor.
Once inequality gets too extreme the poor, who are armed, will find out, and someone like Huey Long will come along as did Glen Beck or Rush from the right to focus them onto the super rich malefactors, and then this shit will happen more and more.
I hate to even contemplate this. Nor am I endorsing or supporting it. But I am fearing it.
Yes, me too.

One issue is just managing expectations.

The wealthy get better health insurance and can afford co-pays in the U.S., and they get excellent healthcare. Sometimes that aspect of “wealth” is simply which insurer your employer chose.

When theorists discuss the type of advanced therapy and surgeries that will allow people to live well into their 100s, one practical issue that gets brought up is what happens if everyone demands it as part of their insurance premiums.

I know others disagree, but I don’t think the overall quality of healthcare in socialized medicine is as high as in the U.S. for those fortunate enough to get everything approved.

But there isn’t the level of anger and rage in systems where everyone is largely in the same boat (or have the sense to shut the fuck up about paying extra to get a private doctor and advancing in line) as there is in the U.S. from those who feel slighted.

I never dreamed we would see this type of online reaction when a CEO is shot dead in the streets.

At least adults don‘t cheer troubled kids on when they shoot other schoolchildren. Hopefully none of those troubled kids overhear adults being so gleeful about this shooting.
 

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I never dreamed we would see this type of online reaction when a CEO is shot dead in the streets.
He's a CEO of a HealthCare company that routinely denies insurance money for people to have surguries, medicines and so on. His company is the highest in the industry for denying claims.

This is not just "a CEO".

A very good argument can be made that he's a legal serial killer.

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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Yes, me too.

One issue is just managing expectations.

The wealthy get better health insurance and can afford co-pays in the U.S., and they get excellent healthcare. Sometimes that aspect of “wealth” is simply which insurer your employer chose.

When theorists discuss the type of advanced therapy and surgeries that will allow people to live well into their 100s, one practical issue that gets brought up is what happens if everyone demands it as part of their insurance premiums.

I know others disagree, but I don’t think the overall quality of healthcare in socialized medicine is as high as in the U.S. for those fortunate enough to get everything approved.

But there isn’t the level of anger and rage in systems where everyone is largely in the same boat (or have the sense to shut the fuck up about paying extra to get a private doctor and advancing in line) as there is in the U.S. from those who feel slighted.

I never dreamed we would see this type of online reaction when a CEO is shot dead in the streets.

At least adults don‘t cheer troubled kids on when they shoot other schoolchildren. Hopefully none of those troubled kids overhear adults being so gleeful about this shooting.
I dont think people are being gleeful.
Notice how this reaction is common both in the right and the left.
It is because people realize there is a deep injustice in the US and you yourself highlighted it.
Some people are fortunate enough to get the highest quality care possible, while others.....just die.
For example, it is 100% evil to cancel a woman's insurance, after she is diagnosed with Uterine cancer using a spurious reason such as failure to report acne.
So we in Canada may have to wait 1 year for an MRI, but when the shit hits the fan, I can assure you that Canada provides the highest quality care that is comparable to just about any developed nation out there.
Our doctors, nurses, hospital staff, ER staff are all truly great.
I have myself been a recipient of such care just this past year.
For non urgent cases, yes we all wait.
And although that is not efficient, it is still JUST.
That is what people cheer for.
A CEO that led a company with a 32% denial rate, that financially ruined families and destroyed lives, was gunned down.
Not sure for what reason.
People like him do whatever they want, and always get away with it.
Doesn't matter how evil or immoral.
But considering the amount of lives he negatively impacted, his shooting would appear to be poetic justice.
 
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