Maybe Trump would be more receptive to sending money to Ukraine if Zelensky would agree to open an investigation into one of Trump’s political rivals?
Trump Nominates ‘Distinguished’ Retired General To Bring End To War In Ukraine
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This line has been tirelessly used for the last 3 years producing zero results.
But Putin's motives cannot just be reduced down to recreating the USSR.
It is one of many.
Also democracy is not a moral superiority thing.
Many of these so called democratic nations are themselves guilty of the same thing Putin is being accused of lol.
Practically providing 100s of billions of our tax payer dollars to Ukraine is untenable.
Money always runs out at some point.
Providing Ukraine the best in class of weapons that will help them decisively beat Russia is also not practical due to fear of escalation.
The only practical end to the war is a negotiated one.
But this decision needs to come from Ukraine.
Zelensky refused to play ball during Trump's last term.
Wonder how much that affects Trump's position on Ukraine.
So why is the US taking the brunt of the aide to Ukraine and not NATO? For a country thats halfway around the world...and not in Europe. I Poland France and Germany under threat after Ukraine they seem to be quite passive than the US....
Sweden has a formidable military weapon and technology
industrial base. It can make itself the powerhouse of exporter
of military support to NATO-Europe second to the U.S. But
Europe wants to fight the proxy war on the cheap. Hence all
the propaganda on how Trump would just give up on Europe
and sacrifice Zelensky's Ukraine to Putin if elected.
On second thought Trump going to sacrifice Ukraine is not
absolutely improbable. But you can be assured Putin would
have to make some sort of concession to the U.S. Trump could
make Putin cut off Iran and China in exchange for sacrifice of
Ukraine. And even in such scenario Trump could not just make
Zelensky surrender to Putin. All he could do is to withdraw all
military aid to Ukraine. Europe will be left to foot the bill to sustain
the proxy war so Ukraine can fight to the last man.
industrial base. It can make itself the powerhouse of exporter
of military support to NATO-Europe second to the U.S. But
Europe wants to fight the proxy war on the cheap. Hence all
the propaganda on how Trump would just give up on Europe
and sacrifice Zelensky's Ukraine to Putin if elected.
On second thought Trump going to sacrifice Ukraine is not
absolutely improbable. But you can be assured Putin would
have to make some sort of concession to the U.S. Trump could
make Putin cut off Iran and China in exchange for sacrifice of
Ukraine. And even in such scenario Trump could not just make
Zelensky surrender to Putin. All he could do is to withdraw all
military aid to Ukraine. Europe will be left to foot the bill to sustain
the proxy war so Ukraine can fight to the last man.
Sweden is a small country with 10M people.
They may have the know how.
But they are not the industrial power of EU to produce things at scale.
Germany, UK, France are and they dont come close to the US in terms of industrial capability.
Trump is not going to be able to make Putin do anything.
No way is Russia going to give up China and Iran who helped them during the war.
What he'd do I imagine is to make aid conditional on negotiations putting Ukraine in a difficult spot.
The guy he has appointed pretty much advocates that position.
How this would turn out is yet to be determined.
I had in mind scenario of cold war after the Ukraine war is
ended on the battlefield. Without the U.S. Sweden could indeed
be a major exporter of weapons to members of NATO-Europe.
Of course France, Germany and the UK will have to step up
production of their own weapons.
Putin can destroy Europe even without using nukes provided
that he is assured of non-interference from the U.S. For a proxy war
confined to Ukraine and for long term defence against imaginary
Russian expansion beyond Ukraine combined industrial capacity
of Sweden, France, Germany and the UK should be sufficient to
maintian peace in a cold war so long as Europe is sheltered under
the U.S. nuclear umbrella.
How about putting Don Jr. on the board of Burisma Holdings. It's a proven formula.
wigglee did not appear to understand that you have to more careful about threatening the future of a despot leader who has nuclear capabilities
not exactly a diplomatic approach
if Ukraine rolls into Russia , Putin could very likely get disposed, if he gets disposed, he is dead
so mutual destruction in this scenario is irrelevant to him
if Hitler had nuclear capabilities, he would have used them in 1945 , as the Russians entered Germany. no question
??
Putin does not answer to anyone
especially if he is threaten with regime change and then execution
using nukes as a invasion weapon is ridiculous
there is no point in occupying a radioactive wasteland
that is like a robber committing arson only to find all the stuff worth stealing got burnt
cross your fingers and hope the ruskies forgot to replace a fuse ?
not exactly a fool proof strategy
this would not be a toe-to toe nuclear slugfest
if Putin is going down he may have no qualms about lighting up the bread basket that is Ukraine
Look what Saddam Hussain did to the Kuwaiti oil fields he was deprived of .
If he had nukes he would have used them instead.
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what political rivals ?
the democrat leadership got wiped out by the election
The Colonel passed away and was buried in a big, grease soaked, white bucket along with enough Tums to last eternity.
KFC was kind of tasty but turned into an acid refluxing anvil in your stomach half an hour later
BTW the colonel once shot one of his gas stations competitors who had shot and killed one of Sanders employees
Sanders was also a lawyer for a short while before he got into court room brawl with his client
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I dunno…Trump has pledged vengeance against all kinds of enemies. The list is fairly long but it includes people like:
Adam Kinzinger
Mark Milley
Liz Cheney
Jack Smith (and everyone else involved in his prosecution at the DOJ)
Faunie Willis
etc.
I also think Trump is going to want to throw Elon Musk under the bus at some point, too…he hogs way too much of the Sun away from Trump.
What's it worth to keep democracy alive and try to re-establish a world order based on peace and respect for sovereignty. We see Putin now destroying Georgian democracy. Where do you think he will end his quest for empire?
Russia is hurting financially and morally.... let them continue to suffer til they get the hell out of other countries.
He may/ may not go after those that tried to lock him up - he is unpredictable
He has a vindictive nature but knows the lawfare needs to stop
if they continue to push for his prosecution he most certainly will go after them. He will view that as treasonous
only the electorate / congress can remove the President from power, not the courts
that's the way it works in the US as per the US constitution
So it may depend of their actions going forward
in us politics , skeletons tend to accumulate in the closet
Hopefully they have squeaky clean closets
in us politics you generally (not always, but generally) only get one kick at the can.
if you fail, you generally fade away quietly
A course of action they should consider especially if their closets are not virgin white clean
Naturally you will ask about Trumps closet
He was judged by the electorate and won,
He is unpredictable
Both are unpredictable, yet you predict
time will tell
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