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Except for homicides, report finds Canadian crime rates higher than U.S.

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GOLDSTEIN: Except for homicides, report finds Canadian crime rates higher than U.S.

A new study says both property crime rates and overall violent crime rates are now higher in Canada than in the U.S.
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While the homicide rate in the U.S. markedly exceeds Canada’s, a new study by Lakehead University economics professor Livio Di Matteo, done for the Fraser Institute, says both property crime rates and overall violent crime rates are now higher in Canada than in the U.S.

“The idea that Canada is a much safer society than the United States is not supported by the data as rates of property and violent crime in Canada are now higher than south of the border,” Di Matteo concludes in the first chapter of his upcoming study, Comparing Recent Crime Trends in Canada and the United States: An Introduction.

“After a long period of declining crime rates in both Canada and the United States since the 1990s, recent years have seen new disquiet even though overall, crime rates remain at relatively historic lows.

“Crime rates in Canada … are nevertheless rising and in some cases are higher than in the U.S., which should concern Canadians.”

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Not a surprise, can’t keep violent thugs in jail for more than 12 hours.
Just had a case in Winnipeg where a meth head stabbed two people in a shopping mall completely unprovoked. Guy was out on bail and was released again the same day. I guess we wait until he actually kills someone for no reason to hold on to him.
 
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What a shame. No wonder we've lost hundreds of thousands of high net worth individuals since Turdeau got into power. They are afraid of being robbed or worse. Heck look what's happening in some neighborhoods in southern Oakville at the moment. Residents have been hiring private security companies to patrol at night to curb the auto theft, carjackings and home robberies that have been rising.
 
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K Douglas said:
Residents have been hiring private security companies to patrol at night to curb the auto theft, carjackings and home robberies that have been rising.
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Source? Please post a link, thanks.
 
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I heard someone on the radio saying that if you remove the US's 7 largest cities from statistics for violent crime, the US would have less of that type of crime than Canada.
Those 7 cities, (NY, LA,CHI, Hou, Pho, Philly, San Antonio) add up to about 22 million people.

Current US population is 335 million - 22 million, let's say that leaves 300 million for sake of argument.
Current population of Canada is 40 million.

That's what they said, I haven't verified this and I didn't catch the source they referenced.
Do you think that's true? If yes or no, why?
 
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Skoob said:
I heard someone on the radio saying that if you remove the US's 7 largest cities from statistics for violent crime, the US would have less of that type of crime than Canada.
Those 7 cities, (NY, LA,CHI, Hou, Pho, Philly, San Antonio) add up to about 22 million people.

Current US population is 335 million - 22 million, let's say that leaves 300 million for sake of argument.
Current population of Canada is 40 million.

That's what they said, I haven't verified this and I didn't catch the source they referenced.
Do you think that's true? If yes or no, why?
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It's certainly true for murder rates.

The majority of murders occurs in inner-cities among gangsters, which is why the idea of banning legal gun ownership is ludicrous.

Remove those cities and the US murder rate becomes similar to Canada and Europe.
 
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You guys are interchanging RATES with TOTALS.

Rural states have higher murder RATES (deaths/population) that urban states. But 1% of 3 million is a lot more murders than 20% of 1000.

en.wikipedia.org

List of U.S. states and territories by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

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Second, this is typical Fraser Institute garbage: "If I arbitrarily manipulate the data, I can show a line going up"

IGNORING STRAIGHT UP MURDER, and counting different types of crime in both countries, I can show that "violent" crimes are high in Canada.

Note 9 from Page 2:

"In Canada, property crimes include burglary, robbery, breaking and entering, theft, larceny, shoplifting, motor vehicle thefts, vandalism, and arson; see . In the United States, property crime generally includes burglary, larceny, theft, and arson; see ."

So this guy straight up ignored shoplifting, auto thefts and vandalism in the US, but included them as "violent crimes" in Canada.

 
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Skoob said:
I heard someone on the radio saying that if you remove the US's 7 largest cities from statistics for violent crime, the US would have less of that type of crime than Canada.
Those 7 cities, (NY, LA,CHI, Hou, Pho, Philly, San Antonio) add up to about 22 million people.

Current US population is 335 million - 22 million, let's say that leaves 300 million for sake of argument.
Current population of Canada is 40 million.

That's what they said, I haven't verified this and I didn't catch the source they referenced.
Do you think that's true? If yes or no, why?
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I don't know. It would definitely matter how you look at the stats.

I've done the research in the past. Most of the high crime rates cities are smaller to mid-size cities. Places like New Orleans or St. Louis are statistically much worse than the major cities you listed.
 
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boobtoucher said:
You guys are interchanging RATES with TOTALS.

Rural states have higher murder RATES (deaths/population) that urban states. But 1% of 3 million is a lot more murders than 20% of 1000.

en.wikipedia.org

List of U.S. states and territories by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Second, this is typical Fraser Institute garbage: "If I arbitrarily manipulate the data, I can show a line going up"

IGNORING STRAIGHT UP MURDER, and counting different types of crime in both countries, I can show that "violent" crimes are high in Canada.

Note 9 from Page 2:

"In Canada, property crimes include burglary, robbery, breaking and entering, theft, larceny, shoplifting, motor vehicle thefts, vandalism, and arson; see . In the United States, property crime generally includes burglary, larceny, theft, and arson; see ."

So this guy straight up ignored shoplifting, auto thefts and vandalism in the US, but included them as "violent crimes" in Canada.

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I haven't looked at the report you shared in detail, but I see separate charts for property and violent crime.
 
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Skoob said:
I haven't looked at the report you shared in detail, but I see separate charts for property and violent crime.
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The report I shared is the one from the Fraser Institute used to generate the Headline.

You are right, I should have said "Property Crimes" However, the statistical manipulation point stands:

1: It's not clear what the researcher is including and excluding in each category, especially considering his own footnote.
2: He seems to talk a lot about "urban Centres and Census Metro Areas". It's not clear if he's using data for the whole country, or cherrypicking hot spots.

This report is what you get when you (the Fraser institute) tells a researcher to give them a report supporting a conclusion in exchange for money. Same as they did with the "you pay 90% of your income to tax" report.
 
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boobtoucher said:
The report I shared is the one from the Fraser Institute used to generate the Headline.

You are right, I should have said "Property Crimes" However, the statistical manipulation point stands:

1: It's not clear what the researcher is including and excluding in each category, especially considering his own footnote.
2: He seems to talk a lot about "urban Centres and Census Metro Areas". It's not clear if he's using data for the whole country, or cherrypicking hot spots.

This report is what you get when you (the Fraser institute) tells a researcher to give them a report supporting a conclusion in exchange for money. Same as they did with the "you pay 90% of your income to tax" report.
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Having read it again and looking at the footnotes and citations, the author does indeed make it clear as to references the data came from and how it was categorized.

He also cites CMA (Canada) and MSA (US) as defining the urban areas studied for the purpose of the report.

Census Metropolitan Areas (CMAs) are large, densely populated centres made up of adjacent municipalities that are economically and socially integrated.
An MSA consists of one or more counties that contain a city of 50,000 or. more inhabitants, or contain a Census Bureau-defined urbanized area (UA)

Looking at the author's credentials, I would say that he's qualified to research and present the data and is published in several places aside from the Fraser Institute.

I'm open to looking at other reports/sources if you have any recommendations.
 
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