War on Safety: Car Drivers Rejoice! First Bike Lanes, Now This.

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One of the city’s most dangerous streets just lost its photo radar camera
The speed camera at Parkside Drive and Algonquin Avenue was cut down on the weekend.

Nov. 18, 2024



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The speed camera located at Parkside Drive and Algonquin Avenue was cut down over the weekend, residents say.


One of Toronto’s busiest photo radar cameras has been put out of service — and it’s unclear when it will be replaced.

The automated speed enforcement camera on Parkside Drive, installed after multiple high-profile collisions highlighted the safety concerns of locals on the stretch between Lake Shore Boulevard and Bloor Street, appears to have been sawn in two, according to nearby resident Faraz Gholizadeh.

Gholizadeh, who is also co-chair of advocacy group Safe Parkside, heard what happened to the camera from a friend on Sunday.

When he checked it out, he said he saw that someone appeared to have taken down the pole the camera was sitting on.
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“Someone had come with a saw ... and had cut the speed camera down at the base,” said Gholizadeh. “Someone put a lot of time and effort into vandalizing that camera.”

Though vandals had hit the Parkside camera previously, it has since been made permanent, making it much tougher to damage than other photo radar locations.

In an email, the city told the Star that it’s up to the device’s vendor to fix the camera, and that the city couldn’t say when the Parkside camera would be restored.

One of the 75 speed cameras the city has set up in community safety zones across Toronto, the photo radar camera located south of Algonquin Avenue has been a perennial money spinner since it was installed in April 2022.

According to data from the City of Toronto, a total of 63,633 tickets have been issued by the camera between the time it went up to September 2024 (which is the most recent data available).

The Parkside camera once ticketed more drivers than any other automated speed camera in the city, but in recent months, that total has fallen.

In September 2023, Parkside caught 2,696 drivers speeding. In September this year, that number fell to 1,886. This summer, the average number of drivers tickets fell below 2,000, compared with as many as 3,500 during the summer of 2023.

Gholizadeh and his family have lived on Parkside Drive for the past 10 years, and as a father to two kids, “it’s just incredibly uncomfortable,” he said, about the speeding on his street, which is residential on the east side with High Park on the west.

“I worry about the safety of my neighbours, I worry about the safety of my friends.”

The speed camera on Parkside Drive was installed in the months following a chain-reaction multi-vehicle collision in 2021 that left two seniors, Valdemar and Fatima Avila, dead.

“It was our worst nightmare come to life,” said Gholizadeh of the fatal collision. “We knew it was going to happen. The city knew this was going to happen.”

Though the speed limit has since been lowered from 50 km/h to 40, the street’s wide lanes, narrow sidewalks and few traffic lights make it prime for speeding, said Gholizadeh.

“People drive based on road conditions and the road conditions on Parkside encourage them to drive fast,” he said.

Coun. Gord Perks (Ward 4, Parkdale-High Park) agrees, calling Parkside Drive one of “the most dangerous streets” in the city.

“It’s designed almost like a highway, but it’s a highway that runs between people’s homes and a city park, which is just ... it’s a crazy way to do things,” he told the Star.

Perks said he’s been working for years to get “interim” safety measures in place, such as lowering the speed limit and getting the speed camera, but “the real safety measure,” is going to be the reconfiguration of Parkside Drive, he said.

Last week, city council voted to endorse a road safety project that could see protected bike lanes, improved safety at major intersections, designated turning lanes, and new and upgraded TTC stops come to Parkside Drive.

Improvements in driver speed prove that “little moves” like installing speed cameras do help, said Perks. “But it’s street design that gets you real safety on a street like Parkside.”
 

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One of the city’s most dangerous streets just lost its photo radar camera
The speed camera at Parkside Drive and Algonquin Avenue was cut down on the weekend.

Nov. 18, 2024



Parkside speed camera cut in half_Nov 17_A.jpg

The speed camera located at Parkside Drive and Algonquin Avenue was cut down over the weekend, residents say.


One of Toronto’s busiest photo radar cameras has been put out of service — and it’s unclear when it will be replaced.

The automated speed enforcement camera on Parkside Drive, installed after multiple high-profile collisions highlighted the safety concerns of locals on the stretch between Lake Shore Boulevard and Bloor Street, appears to have been sawn in two, according to nearby resident Faraz Gholizadeh.

Gholizadeh, who is also co-chair of advocacy group Safe Parkside, heard what happened to the camera from a friend on Sunday.

When he checked it out, he said he saw that someone appeared to have taken down the pole the camera was sitting on.
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“Someone had come with a saw ... and had cut the speed camera down at the base,” said Gholizadeh. “Someone put a lot of time and effort into vandalizing that camera.”

Though vandals had hit the Parkside camera previously, it has since been made permanent, making it much tougher to damage than other photo radar locations.

In an email, the city told the Star that it’s up to the device’s vendor to fix the camera, and that the city couldn’t say when the Parkside camera would be restored.

One of the 75 speed cameras the city has set up in community safety zones across Toronto, the photo radar camera located south of Algonquin Avenue has been a perennial money spinner since it was installed in April 2022.

According to data from the City of Toronto, a total of 63,633 tickets have been issued by the camera between the time it went up to September 2024 (which is the most recent data available).

The Parkside camera once ticketed more drivers than any other automated speed camera in the city, but in recent months, that total has fallen.

In September 2023, Parkside caught 2,696 drivers speeding. In September this year, that number fell to 1,886. This summer, the average number of drivers tickets fell below 2,000, compared with as many as 3,500 during the summer of 2023.

Gholizadeh and his family have lived on Parkside Drive for the past 10 years, and as a father to two kids, “it’s just incredibly uncomfortable,” he said, about the speeding on his street, which is residential on the east side with High Park on the west.

“I worry about the safety of my neighbours, I worry about the safety of my friends.”

The speed camera on Parkside Drive was installed in the months following a chain-reaction multi-vehicle collision in 2021 that left two seniors, Valdemar and Fatima Avila, dead.

“It was our worst nightmare come to life,” said Gholizadeh of the fatal collision. “We knew it was going to happen. The city knew this was going to happen.”

Though the speed limit has since been lowered from 50 km/h to 40, the street’s wide lanes, narrow sidewalks and few traffic lights make it prime for speeding, said Gholizadeh.

“People drive based on road conditions and the road conditions on Parkside encourage them to drive fast,” he said.

Coun. Gord Perks (Ward 4, Parkdale-High Park) agrees, calling Parkside Drive one of “the most dangerous streets” in the city.

“It’s designed almost like a highway, but it’s a highway that runs between people’s homes and a city park, which is just ... it’s a crazy way to do things,” he told the Star.

Perks said he’s been working for years to get “interim” safety measures in place, such as lowering the speed limit and getting the speed camera, but “the real safety measure,” is going to be the reconfiguration of Parkside Drive, he said.

Last week, city council voted to endorse a road safety project that could see protected bike lanes, improved safety at major intersections, designated turning lanes, and new and upgraded TTC stops come to Parkside Drive.

Improvements in driver speed prove that “little moves” like installing speed cameras do help, said Perks. “But it’s street design that gets you real safety on a street like Parkside.”
So let's jam in some bike lanes to create more congestion because we believe that people will just abandon their cars in February to ride a bike instead! Maybe one of those 4-seat family bike models?


City council votes for potential bike lanes on Parkside Drive
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/bike-lanes-parkside-drive-1.7385226
 

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So let's jam in some bike lanes to create more congestion because we believe that people will just abandon their cars in February to ride a bike instead! Maybe one of those 4-seat family bike models?


City council votes for potential bike lanes on Parkside Drive
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/bike-lanes-parkside-drive-1.7385226
No, not at all.

Make this dangerous, take your life into your own hands, speedway route to the Gardiner safer for everyone, yes even vehicle drivers and their precious occupants.

It's a frickin Indy speedway on Parkside.

I live right by there and know the speedway quite well unfortunately.
 
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Parkside should be widened to 8 lanes with an 80 kph speed limit.
 

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It drives me crazy when people say how dangerous Parkside is when referencing the collision that killed an elderly couple. No speed limit or enforcement or adding a bike lane would've prevented that moron from plowing into the back of their car. It's no different than the idiots out on bail who carjacked the BMW before plowing into a TTC bus the other day. You simply can't protect everyone with speed limits, fines and bike lanes when all it takes is one criminally negligent lunatic to do something stupid.

Reducing the speed limit from 50 to 40 km/h has achieved its goal. Increasing the number of speeding tickets. One could argue that it's now helping reduce the speed, as less tickets are being handed out. OTOH, it probably has more to do with people knowing about the location of the camera, so they're simply slowing down when they drive by it.
 

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It drives me crazy when people say how dangerous Parkside is when referencing the collision that killed an elderly couple. No speed limit or enforcement or adding a bike lane would've prevented that moron from plowing into the back of their car. It's no different than the idiots out on bail who carjacked the BMW before plowing into a TTC bus the other day. You simply can't protect everyone with speed limits, fines and bike lanes when all it takes is one criminally negligent lunatic to do something stupid.

Reducing the speed limit from 50 to 40 km/h has achieved its goal. Increasing the number of speeding tickets. One could argue that it's now helping reduce the speed, as less tickets are being handed out. OTOH, it probably has more to do with people knowing about the location of the camera, so they're simply slowing down when they drive by it.
The stats say increasing bike lanes increases bikes and pedestrian traffic, forcing cars to be more careful and lowering deaths all around.
They make neighbourhoods safer and better for businesses.

Parkside is stupid, its only 2 lanes going south and then hits the bottleneck at Lakeshore where it goes back to 1 lane.
The only reason to keep 2 lanes is so people can speed and try to pass buses to save themselves 1 minute of travel time.
 

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The stats say increasing bike lanes increases bikes and pedestrian traffic, forcing cars to be more careful and lowering deaths all around.
They make neighbourhoods safer and better for businesses.

Parkside is stupid, its only 2 lanes going south and then hits the bottleneck at Lakeshore where it goes back to 1 lane.
The only reason to keep 2 lanes is so people can speed and try to pass buses to save themselves 1 minute of travel time.
Reducing it to one lane of traffic in both directions and adding bike lanes won’t prevent some idiot/drunk or whatever from speeding, failing to brake and plow into the back of a stopped vehicle.

What it will do is create more traffic congestion, gridlock, more pollution and delay fire, ambulance and police vehicles.

I’m glad Ford has stepped in to prevent Toronto City Council from eliminating a lane of traffic and adding bike lanes everywhere. I’m a cyclist who cycles about 1,000 km a year, but I also realize you can’t paralyze the city in an effort to cater to the minority, which is cyclists. Not every street needs a dedicated bike lane.
 
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Reducing it to one lane of traffic in both directions and adding bike lanes won’t prevent some idiot/drunk or whatever from speeding, failing to brake and plow into the back of a stopped vehicle.

What it will do is create more traffic congestion, gridlock, more pollution and delay fire, ambulance and police vehicles.

I’m glad Ford has stepped in to prevent Toronto City Council from eliminating a lane of traffic and adding bike lanes everywhere. I’m a cyclist who cycles about 1,000 km a year, but I also realize you can’t paralyze the city in an effort to cater to the minority, which is cyclists. Not every street needs a dedicated bike lane.
Bike lanes don't cause traffic.
Parked cars, people stopping in intersections, street parking, illegal parking and shitty drivers cause congestion.

Bike lanes get people out of cars and taking less space on roads.
 

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Reducing it to one lane of traffic in both directions and adding bike lanes won’t prevent some idiot/drunk or whatever from speeding, failing to brake and plow into the back of a stopped vehicle.

What it will do is create more traffic congestion, gridlock, more pollution and delay fire, ambulance and police vehicles.

I’m glad Ford has stepped in to prevent Toronto City Council from eliminating a lane of traffic and adding bike lanes everywhere. I’m a cyclist who cycles about 1,000 km a year, but I also realize you can’t paralyze the city in an effort to cater to the minority, which is cyclists. Not every street needs a dedicated bike lane.
Whatever.

What a bunch of regurgitated war on the car nonsense, > "more traffic congestion, gridlock, more pollution, delay fire, ambulance and police vehicles, paralyze a city", garbage.

Parkside Drive is the epitome of a dangerous wild, wild, west inner-city speedway for motorists that needs to be calmed, controlled and made safe for everyone.
 
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Bike lanes don't cause traffic.
Parked cars, people stopping in intersections, street parking, illegal parking and shitty drivers cause congestion.

Bike lanes get people out of cars and taking less space on roads.
No, a bike lane in itself doesn't cause traffic, but if you can't figure out that eliminating a lane of traffic on major thoroughfares doesn't increase traffic congestion, then I can't help you.

Bike lanes do get some people out of their cars, but come the winter months and when it's raining, the numbers are few and far between. The city cherry picked a few nice days to back up their claim that many people are using them. Balance on Bloor took 24/7 - 365 video of the bike lanes on Bloor, counted how many cyclists used them each day along a stretch of Bloor and told the city they were welcome to the data. The city wasn't interested, likely because it would prove them wrong.

News flash Franky, not everyone can ride a bike and for the most part, people will only ride when the situation suits them. Like when the weather is nice, for recreation or to go a short distance. It's not a year-round viable mode of transportation for the masses. And for that reason, it makes sense to have some bike lanes, but not on every major street as this city seems hell-bent on doing.

I cycle several times a week in many areas of the city. I'm thrilled with all the bike lanes we have, but there's several streets where they don't make sense.

I also find the conduct of many fellow cyclists simply appalling. I heard 6 cyclists have dies in Toronto this year. Based on the number of cyclists I see riding without a helmet, disregarding all the rules of the road, riding at night and wearing all black, I'm actually surprised the number is so low. They also won't mention is how many cyclists were at fault in a collision, as this would go against their narrative.

Before you nutcases attack me, remember, I'm also an avid cyclist. I just have no sympathy for all the idiots out here and the zealots who think cyclists can do no wrong.
 

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No, a bike lane in itself doesn't cause traffic, but if you can't figure out that eliminating a lane of traffic on major thoroughfares doesn't increase traffic congestion, then I can't help you.

Bike lanes do get some people out of their cars, but come the winter months and when it's raining, the numbers are few and far between. The city cherry picked a few nice days to back up their claim that many people are using them. Balance on Bloor took 24/7 - 365 video of the bike lanes on Bloor, counted how many cyclists used them each day along a stretch of Bloor and told the city they were welcome to the data. The city wasn't interested, likely because it would prove them wrong.

News flash Franky, not everyone can ride a bike and for the most part, people will only ride when the situation suits them. Like when the weather is nice, for recreation or to go a short distance. It's not a year-round viable mode of transportation for the masses. And for that reason, it makes sense to have some bike lanes, but not on every major street as this city seems hell-bent on doing.

I cycle several times a week in many areas of the city. I'm thrilled with all the bike lanes we have, but there's several streets where they don't make sense.

I also find the conduct of many fellow cyclists simply appalling. I heard 6 cyclists have dies in Toronto this year. Based on the number of cyclists I see riding without a helmet, disregarding all the rules of the road, riding at night and wearing all black, I'm actually surprised the number is so low. They also won't mention is how many cyclists were at fault in a collision, as this would go against their narrative.

Before you nutcases attack me, remember, I'm also an avid cyclist. I just have no sympathy for all the idiots out here and the zealots who think cyclists can do no wrong.
On an e bike now for commuting. Totally agree on the idiots on bikes, scooters, those e-unicycles. The ones with no reflectors, lights, dressed in dark clothing on dark paths.

I plan to use mine until ice hits. Then it will be dangerous, too cold, and salt water and Lithium batteries don't mix.

I think e-bike usage is going to increase. Alot. My cost was about $1600 with accessories/new tires and weather clothing. And only costs about $.005/mile in Electricity to charge.

So 10 months of no transit amortization pays it off. Faster commute too!
 
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