If Israel Attacks Iran, Russia Is Not Going to Stay on the Sideline

Frankfooter

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Yes, I've argued that the JCPOA did nothing to delay Iran's nuclear program
If they were undergoing inspections how do you claim it just delayed developing nukes for Iran?
Why do you argue that Iran should sign on to the JCPOA and NPT but Israel shouldn't have to?
 

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Gee, I thought as a Canadian, I'm allowed my opinion. But according to the NPT, Iran gets economic advantages from being in the NPT. If they want nukes, they just need to withdraw.

And Iran getting nukes will be quickly followed by the Saudis and I'd rather not have more ultra-religious totalitarian states have them.
you can have any opinoin you want, but the point is, ,there is no legal reason to prevent Iran from building a nuke other then the NPT that they can renounce. The IAEA says they are compliant with the NPT, inspite of all the bitching and moaning from the USA and BIBI the babykiller. Its the USA that abrogated the JPCOA remember? and its the Europeans who are not complying with their part. Meanwhile Israel which is GROSSLY non compliant, has not had any NPT sanction applied. They should be gettoing the North Korea package,.
 
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Yes, I've argued that the JCPOA did nothing to delay Iran's nuclear program and with their continued aggression, sanctions are the only other option. I have NEVER said anyone should bomb Iran and you only don't like my comments on the NPT being that Israel was a nuclear power when it was created and under the treaty, would have been allowed to keep their nukes, just like every other nuclear power.
Actually it did. They could have had nukess 2 years ago if they wanted. They have the enrichment capability alerady, and they have the feedstock. If they built a simple gun type fission device they could easily have a deliverable 15-25 KT fission bomb. The biggest barrier to making a bomb today is enrichment and Iran has advance enrichment capabilities .So the ONLY thing preventing them from actually building one is their decision to not cross the line.
 
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Insidious Von

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Finally, do you really believe the Orthodox Jews started this war? Did they dress up as Hamas and make Hamas take credit for the 7th?
Interesting, you're saying that whatever happened before Oct 7th is irrelevant. That's like saying Imperial Japan was not at war prior to Dec 7th 1941. Netanyahu fears the Orthodox Zionists, he doesn't want to end up like Yitzakh Rabin.
 
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Interesting, you're saying that whatever happened before Oct 7th is irrelevant. That's like saying Imperial Japan was not at war prior to Dec 7th 1941. Netanyahu fears the Orthodox Zionists, he doesn't want to end up like Yitzakh Rabin.
Sorry but you just made a pathetic cop-out. The "Orthodox Jews" did not start this war (There are huge varieties of Orthodox Jews). And Netanyahu isn't afraid of the religious nuts, he's simply using them to

The conflict started in 1920 when Arab mobs were incited to violence against indigenous Jews using Jewish immigration as an excuse. It's fucked up to claim that Hamas choosing to massacre 1200 civilians on the 7th is a reasonable response to the religious ultra-zionists fringe pushing settlement of the West Bank.
 

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Total lie, buddy.
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So it should be easy for you to find the posts where I call for war. You're just too xenophobically blind to even comprehend other viewpoints.

It is completely reasonable to be suspicious about Iran having a larger enrichment capacity for one civilian reactor that the US who supplies hundreds. It is completely rational to criticize Iran for enriching to 60%+ when their only civilian use is for 3.5% (they don't have medical reactors running and have no research reactors using >20%).

It is patently transparent that your obsessive interest in defending Iran is because they share your obsession with jews living with full rights.
 

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If they were undergoing inspections how do you claim it just delayed developing nukes for Iran?
Why do you argue that Iran should sign on to the JCPOA and NPT but Israel shouldn't have to?
Iran signed the NPT; no one forced them to. And if they change their mind, they can withdraw the way NK did. I also realize that Pakistan and India are non-NPT powers who are in regular conflict with each other and China and I have never heard you demanding they join the NPT.

You also can't deny my point that as an existing power when the NPT was created, Israel would have been allowed to keep their nukes.
 

basketcase

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you can have any opinoin you want, but the point is, ,there is no legal reason to prevent Iran from building a nuke other then the NPT that they can renounce. The IAEA says they are compliant with the NPT, inspite of all the bitching and moaning from the USA and BIBI the babykiller. Its the USA that abrogated the JPCOA remember? and its the Europeans who are not complying with their part. Meanwhile Israel which is GROSSLY non compliant, has not had any NPT sanction applied. They should be gettoing the North Korea package,.
Yes, I have continually argued that if Iran wants nukes, they just need to withdraw and lose the economic benefits.

And I don't know what kind of whacky world you live in but how can Israel be non-compliant with a treaty they aren't a part of and even if they were, they'd have been an existing power, just like the US, Russia, China, UK, and France?
 

basketcase

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Actually it did. They could have had nukess 2 years ago if they wanted. They have the enrichment capability alerady, and they have the feedstock. If they built a simple gun type fission device they could easily have a deliverable 15-25 KT fission bomb. The biggest barrier to making a bomb today is enrichment and Iran has advance enrichment capabilities .So the ONLY thing preventing them from actually building one is their decision to not cross the line.
My issue with the JCPOA was that it was limited to 10 years - it would expire next year - and did nothing about Iran's massive enrichment capacity which was useless for their civilian needs.

And the fact that Iran already has enough HEU to quickly make nukes is exactly why I'm concerned, especially with their theocratic, authoritarian government.
 

Frankfooter

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Sorry but you just made a pathetic cop-out. The "Orthodox Jews" did not start this war (There are huge varieties of Orthodox Jews). And Netanyahu isn't afraid of the religious nuts, he's simply using them to

The conflict started in 1920 when Arab mobs were incited to violence against indigenous Jews using Jewish immigration as an excuse. It's fucked up to claim that Hamas choosing to massacre 1200 civilians on the 7th is a reasonable response to the religious ultra-zionists fringe pushing settlement of the West Bank.
The conflict started in the 1800's when zionists decided they should colonize Palestine.
 

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So it should be easy for you to find the posts where I call for war. You're just too xenophobically blind to even comprehend other viewpoints.

It is completely reasonable to be suspicious about Iran having a larger enrichment capacity for one civilian reactor that the US who supplies hundreds. It is completely rational to criticize Iran for enriching to 60%+ when their only civilian use is for 3.5% (they don't have medical reactors running and have no research reactors using >20%).

It is patently transparent that your obsessive interest in defending Iran is because they share your obsession with jews living with full rights.
Sure, that'll be just as easy as finding the post where you say genocide is wrong, apartheid is wrong, international law must be abided, Palestinians deserve basic human rights, the occupation is illegal and killing women and children is wrong.

You won't say it directly, but you've spent years here arguing that Iran should be attacked.
 

Frankfooter

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The Jordanian WAQF.

Now what does that have to do with your denial that many Arab states are afraid of Iran and willing to provide low-key assistance to Israel?
So every time Israel lets settlers storm the Al Aqsa they are breaking an international treaty and attacking Jordan.
And every time you've only had a problem with Palestinians resisting, not settler terrorists.
 

Frankfooter

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Yes, I have continually argued that if Iran wants nukes, they just need to withdraw and lose the economic benefits.

And I don't know what kind of whacky world you live in but how can Israel be non-compliant with a treaty they aren't a part of and even if they were, they'd have been an existing power, just like the US, Russia, China, UK, and France?
What benefits?

The US pulled out of the JCPOA and then put sanctions in place on Iran on behest of AIPAC.
Israel is a rogue nuclear state, Iran an NPT signatory.

You have different standards for anyone you think isn't part of the 'chosen people' as Shazi calls them.
 

Frankfooter

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My issue with the JCPOA was that it was limited to 10 years - it would expire next year - and did nothing about Iran's massive enrichment capacity which was useless for their civilian needs.

And the fact that Iran already has enough HEU to quickly make nukes is exactly why I'm concerned, especially with their theocratic, authoritarian government.
You've never posted that line before, that's new.
Your problem with the JCPOA is that it confirmed Iran wasn't building a bomb so therefore Israel had no justification to attack them.
 

basketcase

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You've never posted that line before, that's new.
Your problem with the JCPOA is that it confirmed Iran wasn't building a bomb so therefore Israel had no justification to attack them.
No, you just don't bother reading anything you might disagree with. You're the only one who obsessively argues against negotiations and in favour of violence and ethnic cleansing.

it says loads when you keep defending countries like Iran despite their clearly atrocious human rights records. I'm surprised you haven't joined Notty and Oily all over Putin's dick simply because Russia and Iran are allied.
 

basketcase

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The conflict started in the 1800's when zionists decided they should colonize Palestine.
More of your idiocy.

ALL of the early violence was Leaders like the Nazi al-Husseni inciting mob violence against indigenous Jews because other jews were legally immigrating with the exact same kind of rhetoric trump's people use today.
 
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