Sick of LL scam!!!

[Angel lina]

Angel, if Leolist is so shit compared to Tryst and Twitter, why do you continue to post your ad multiple times a day on Leolist?

I post everywhere what I'm saying that if I compare Leolist to other site and LL it's only getting worst but I am still grateful because I have been able to meet exceptional people and I have amazing clients yes there is also positive from LL but it's not my favorite platform to post my ads

 

[Theredmilf]

Leolist invites a suboptimal confluence of clients looking for last minute dates but who are nowhere near the booking stage, having done no research and in many cases not even having read the ad, so posting there means extra labour that there’s not enough time for if we also want to accommodate a last minute date.

Still, thanks to being locked out of most conventional advertising arenas, we don’t have anything better at the moment for casting a wide net and introducing ourselves to new markets which makes it almost unavoidable for touring providers. It’s just incredibly laborious and frustrating, especially if we’ve already put years into establishing ourselves.

Just like you guys, if we use LL, we need to develop strategies to quickly weed out time wasters and fantasy bookers. I have a pretty good system for myself now but even so, I would say only 1/20 inquiries gets the key to my fantasy suite. But every once in a while, I’ll meet someone truly exceptional who becomes a regular which renews my faith in humanity

 

[PointyP]

So much to say, way too long to write

I'm personally stuck with Leo, however tedious it is, and as I previously gripped about, can't do deposits nor ID screening... as much as I love tryst... never contacted anyone there.

It's not even a monetary consideration at all for tryst... so I'm like a kid looking through a window for cake I can't have

I would love legitimate reviews of clients as well, for my case, in and as much of saying he is good, clean, on time, not a creep, pays, etc... why would anyone need to know my name, etc
The rest is simply do we match, try and see for yourself.

Which brings to an important, but somewhat lost component of this affair - discretion. Sp and clients alike want both. Any verification available can't with utmost certainty ensure ironclad discretion.

I admire you SPs for simply putting yourself out there...

Jokingly, but I'm sure the ref milf is not on anyone's birth certificate and lovechanko is not a typical Slavic last name

So Leo it is unfortunately... I filter out Asian, indo canadian, Latino, middle eastern, native, since there so few of those sps... and then I'm left with less than a page of only like half scams. And surely to miss a potential gem.

But anyone independent in those groups are well known and this is opposed to countless hours of sifting through bs ads.

 

[Tango Urilla]

I post everywhere what I'm saying that if I compare Leolist to other site and LL it's only getting worst but I am still grateful because I have been able to meet exceptional people and I have amazing clients yes there is also positive from LL but it's not my favorite platform to post my ads

You should also post a few pics with no makeup and glasses so guys know what to expect sometimes when you answer the door.

 

[Theredmilf]

So much to say, way too long to write

I'm personally stuck with Leo, however tedious it is, and as I previously gripped about, can't do deposits nor ID screening... as much as I love tryst... never contacted anyone there.

It's not even a monetary consideration at all for tryst... so I'm like a kid looking through a window for cake I can't have

I would love legitimate reviews of clients as well, for my case, in and as much of saying he is good, clean, on time, not a creep, pays, etc... why would anyone need to know my name, etc
The rest is simply do we match, try and see for yourself.

Which brings to an important, but somewhat lost component of this affair - discretion. Sp and clients alike want both. Any verification available can't with utmost certainty ensure ironclad discretion.

I admire you SPs for simply putting yourself out there...

Jokingly, but I'm sure the ref milf is not on anyone's birth certificate and lovechanko is not a typical Slavic last name

So Leo it is unfortunately... I filter out Asian, indo canadian, Latino, middle eastern, native, since there so few of those sps... and then I'm left with less than a page of only like half scams. And surely to miss a potential gem.

But anyone independent in those groups are well known and this is opposed to countless hours of sifting through bs ads.

Hi @PointyP

Your comments are well taken. Discretion has to be one of the biggest concerns when it comes to booking! It’s absolutely fair that you want to retain your privacy. A lot of the ladies in the candy shop will accept refrences in lieu of ID and deposits from completely anonymous methods like PayPal, gift cards like Amazon and Uber, Throne and even cryptocurrency so I wanted to point out you may have more options than you know.

It’s unfortunate we don’t have better systems and recourses but this industry is still the Wild West and until we have something better, a good reputation is our best guardrail against bad actors.

 

[Angel lina]

Leolist invites a suboptimal confluence of clients looking for last minute dates but who are nowhere near the booking stage, having done no research and in many cases not even having read the ad, so posting there means extra labour that there’s not enough time for if we also want to accommodate a last minute date.

Still, thanks to being locked out of most conventional advertising arenas, we don’t have anything better at the moment for casting a wide net and introducing ourselves to new markets which makes it almost unavoidable for touring providers. It’s just incredibly laborious and frustrating, especially if we’ve already put years into establishing ourselves.

Just like you guys, if we use LL, we need to develop strategies to quickly weed out time wasters and fantasy bookers. I have a pretty good system for myself now but even so, I would say only 1/20 inquiries gets the key to my fantasy suite. But every once in a while, I’ll meet someone truly exceptional who becomes a regular which renews my faith in humanity

Amen

 

[Angel lina]

You should also post a few pics with no makeup and glasses so guys know what to expect sometimes when you answer the door.

Sorry did I say something to piss u off and beeing rude like that? Why u have to insult me like for real sorry but everybody who pré book me gonna seee me hair done makeup everything Leolist its all last minute like I can be there in 10 min and 3/4 no body show up so sorry but no girl can't be ready top notch in 10 min.... And for real but Ur comment was very mlt necessary and it can be hurtful and ur a well know member that sad very disrespectful person

 

[Angel lina]

You should also post a few pics with no makeup and glasses so guys know what to expect sometimes when you answer the door.

And trust me when u are a natural beauty u don't want to put make up on its not good for the skin ahahahahah and I NEVEr open my door with my glasses on after the session maybe I pu them but never i wear them to receive someone

 

[ladyluva]

Personally I have not had any scamming experiences yet

I felt I have over paid for bad service or the lady advertised was not the same on arrival . But I've always received somewhat decent service even though it was far below expectations .

But I have not paid donations and got scammed or ripped off.

As many veterans members recommended anything that's too good to be true usually is and go with your guts if the vibes don't feels right on arrival simple leave that what's I've learned from being on this forum

 

[Roger"verbal"Kint]

Leolist invites a suboptimal confluence of clients looking for last minute dates but who are nowhere near the booking stage, having done no research and in many cases not even having read the ad, so posting there means extra labour that there’s not enough time for if we also want to accommodate a last minute date.

Still, thanks to being locked out of most conventional advertising arenas, we don’t have anything better at the moment for casting a wide net and introducing ourselves to new markets which makes it almost unavoidable for touring providers. It’s just incredibly laborious and frustrating, especially if we’ve already put years into establishing ourselves.

Just like you guys, if we use LL, we need to develop strategies to quickly weed out time wasters and fantasy bookers. I have a pretty good system for myself now but even so, I would say only 1/20 inquiries gets the key to my fantasy suite. But every once in a while, I’ll meet someone truly exceptional who becomes a regular which renews my faith in humanity

Anyone that gets the key to your fantasy suite is a very lucky individual

 

[Tango Urilla]

Sorry did I say something to piss u off and beeing rude like that? Why u have to insult me like for real sorry but everybody who pré book me gonna seee me hair done makeup everything Leolist its all last minute like I can be there in 10 min and 3/4 no body show up so sorry but no girl can't be ready top notch in 10 min.... And for real but Ur comment was very mlt necessary and it can be hurtful and ur a well know member that sad very disrespectful person

It was not meant to be rude, if so I apologize. If you’re telling me you work sometimes without make up and put your glasses on then you should have some photos like that so you’re not misrepresenting yourself is all I’m saying. You say you never answer the door with them on but you did with me and you looked nothing like your pictures. I still sessioned with you and had a great time.

 

[Adamfaye]

You guys list what is the problem you face and I will try to make it local just us and we add only ppl who we trust. IM making it just to Ottawa for now

 

[PointyP]

Hi @PointyP

Your comments are well taken. Discretion has to be one of the biggest concerns when it comes to booking! It’s absolutely fair that you want to retain your privacy. A lot of the ladies in the candy shop will accept refrences in lieu of ID and deposits from completely anonymous methods like PayPal, gift cards like Amazon and Uber, Throne and even cryptocurrency so I wanted to point out you may have more options than you know.

It’s unfortunate we don’t have better systems and recourses but this industry is still the Wild West and until we have something better, a good reputation is our best guardrail against bad actors.

Hi @PointyP

Your comments are well taken. Discretion has to be one of the biggest concerns when it comes to booking! It’s absolutely fair that you want to retain your privacy. A lot of the ladies in the candy shop will accept refrences in lieu of ID and deposits from completely anonymous methods like PayPal, gift cards like Amazon and Uber, Throne and even cryptocurrency so I wanted to point out you may have more options than you know.

It’s unfortunate we don’t have better systems and recourses but this industry is still the Wild West and until we have something better, a good reputation is our best guardrail against bad actors.

Thank you, Theredmilf, and yes you are right some SPs do accept references, and I can go through the exercise of gift cards, etc, to make things anonymous. And thank you for commenting in general on this forum, it provides for better discussions...

Just for the record, I don't even suggest that requiring ID's of some sort, in light of the wild west situation as per your comment, is unreasonable; And im not on the receiving end of things, so i understand that safety is paramount; it's rather in lieu of a better arrangement.

Clients ultimately have (not you particularly) to entrust our personal information that can used sinisterly, whether we get a service or not; Clients don't want (not all, of course, but many) to give that, privacy and all, for the same reasons that you don't to just meet a client off the street type thing (not literally). In addition, few bad apple sps ruined the screening by having their personal information blasted in the internets, to quote W.

And that is the disconnect and the reason Leo exists, warts and all. There is a market for the last minute client, with SOs that can't just arrange themselves etc. Plus the clients who swore off deposits because of bait and switch, pure scam, which ruined it for you professional SPs.

Since this whole thread started with a member who wanted to put the work in for some type legitimate listing's, I seriously meant it, clients should get reviewed as well. This forum alone serves as a place to add legitimacy to well known members which words we take seriously, as an example.

Also would make them think twice to post a bad comment, because you know, the drywall was cracked in the corner, like it matters...

Lastly, on a lighter note, I've been eyeing your ads for quite a while now, besides few other sps from tryst, so I guess I'll have to do the work to meet you

Cheers.

 

[Assblaster]

Thank you, Theredmilf, and yes you are right some SPs do accept references, and I can go through the exercise of gift cards, etc, to make things anonymous. And thank you for commenting in general on this forum, it provides for better discussions...

Just for the record, I don't even suggest that requiring ID's of some sort, in light of the wild west situation as per your comment, is unreasonable; And im not on the receiving end of things, so i understand that safety is paramount; it's rather in lieu of a better arrangement.

Clients ultimately have (not you particularly) to entrust our personal information that can used sinisterly, whether we get a service or not; Clients don't want (not all, of course, but many) to give that, privacy and all, for the same reasons that you don't to just meet a client off the street type thing (not literally). In addition, few bad apple sps ruined the screening by having their personal information blasted in the internets, to quote W.

And that is the disconnect and the reason Leo exists, warts and all. There is a market for the last minute client, with SOs that can't just arrange themselves etc. Plus the clients who swore off deposits because of bait and switch, pure scam, which ruined it for you professional SPs.

Since this whole thread started with a member who wanted to put the work in for some type legitimate listing's, I seriously meant it, clients should get reviewed as well. This forum alone serves as a place to add legitimacy to well known members which words we take seriously, as an example.

Also would make them think twice to post a bad comment, because you know, the drywall was cracked in the corner, like it matters...

Lastly, on a lighter note, I've been eyeing your ads for quite a while now, besides few other sps from tryst, so I guess I'll have to do the work to meet you

Cheers.

All well made points thanks for the insights.

Btw I can never be that horny or desperate to provide any of my personal information to any to any service providers ever. But to each each individual own business . My safety and personal information is a also very important to me as well

 

[William St]

I may be showing my age with this comment, years ago there was a fantastic website, something like:
escorts-canada.com
Or something like that, but it had all the information you wanted in a grid view, such as breast size, rates, what services were offered, etc.

It was a great resource back in the day, I just can't remember the exact website address.

It's still there. It does have lots of info, but I think some ads were very badly outdated.

 

[diib]

God I wish we were discussing this around a table just to see that guy receive a cold glass of water straight to it's face from @Angel lina
...That was so out of line man

 

[Porshaamama]

Sorry if someone mentioned prior but unfortunately I would advise you not waste your money creating a site. It’s been done multiple times and there’s no reason for any providers to pay for advertising on a site that has no visibility.
We’re already struggling to get proper feedback from boards, tryst, LL so it’s like why would I spend another 100-500 every month to post on a site that clients won’t click on.
I do find the burner sites extremely frustrating and a breach of our boundaries aswell. At least on here if someone is retired they can ask for their reviews to be removed, it’s managed better than an off shore groupchat.

 

[McKenna King]

You guys list what is the problem you face and I will try to make it local just us and we add only ppl who we trust. IM making it just to Ottawa for now

So your hangups with LL are:
1. The scammers/fake accounts
2. The lack of an integrated review forum?
*something else I might’ve missed?

1. Tryst verifies each and every provider account with photo ID and each and every uploaded photo to ensure accuracy. Tryst doesn’t require clients to signup or verify themselves, so your privacy remains intact.
2. Why are you looking to recreate the wheel?
This forum (also an ad site) has the largest community of clients constantly sharing reviews and information. Why do we need another review board integrated into an ad site? Just do you due diligence and research your providers. in at least half the work the provider does in all of the invisible labour we do to market ourselves and run our businesses successfully. The professional SPs will stand out for a reason.

As both an SP and a web developer I could give you so many reasons why this idea you have is already a potential flop.
But I have some serious questions for you.
1. How are you verifying providers and preventing scammers/bots/scraper sites?
2. How are you charging for ads?
3. How much bandwidth does that offshore server have?
4. Do you have a FT job or is building, maintaining and monitoring this site now your FT job?
5. How much money are you prepared to invest in this project? Are you hiring out for development, design, marketing, seo, tech support, mods, legal, copywriting….?
6. How are you establishing trust in this community for providers (the paying client) to actually want to use your service?

If you want a localized ad site for Ottawa with zero reach beyond Ottawa, it makes zero sense in terms of marketing strategy and growth.

Or have I been reading this entire thread the wrong way and what you’re really looking to create is your own private terb spreadsheet 2.0?

 

[gonzoman61]

So your hangups with LL are:
1. The scammers/fake accounts
2. The lack of an integrated review forum?
*something else I might’ve missed?

1. Tryst verifies each and every provider account with photo ID and each and every uploaded photo to ensure accuracy. Tryst doesn’t require clients to signup or verify themselves, so your privacy remains intact.
2. Why are you looking to recreate the wheel?
This forum (also an ad site) has the largest community of clients constantly sharing reviews and information. Why do we need another review board integrated into an ad site? Just do you due diligence and research your providers. in at least half the work the provider does in all of the invisible labour we do to market ourselves and run our businesses successfully. The professional SPs will stand out for a reason.

As both an SP and a web developer I could give you so many reasons why this idea you have is already a potential flop.
But I have some serious questions for you.
1. How are you verifying providers and preventing scammers/bots/scraper sites?
2. How are you charging for ads?
3. How much bandwidth does that offshore server have?
4. Do you have a FT job or is building, maintaining and monitoring this site now your FT job?
5. How much money are you prepared to invest in this project? Are you hiring out for development, design, marketing, seo, tech support, mods, legal, copywriting….?
6. How are you establishing trust in this community for providers (the paying client) to actually want to use your service?

If you want a localized ad site for Ottawa with zero reach beyond Ottawa, it makes zero sense in terms of marketing strategy and growth.

Or have I been reading this entire thread the wrong way and what you’re really looking to create is your own private terb spreadsheet 2.0?

Ok so lets go back to the original topic at hand which is about the scamming on the current site. Even though my current profile suggests i am a new member, i am not. I have been hobbying regularly for at least 30 years. Im in my early 60s now and while i have slowed down a bit, i am still having discreet fun using this system. I am old enough to remenber the days where the only way to get a SP was thru adds in the classieds or the yellow pages in case some of you know that the yellow pages are. The fact remains scamming is NOT a new concept. Its been around all this time. I have mostly avoided scamming by applying the following common sense approaches when hobbying:
1. I do my homework and research. These boards are amazing for all the info that they have on SPs so i find it and read it. And when you find No info at all about a SP. Accept that you may be increasing the odds of being scammed.
2. Everytime you see an ad that looks just too good to be true. With photos that are simply amazing of a perfect girl photographed in a perfect environment and there are absolutely no reviews or references to back it up, you are likely being scammed.
3. When looking at booking be respectful but firm with the booker by expressing your intentions and what you are looking for. I for one have a preference for slim and petite asian SPs. I understand that the scam rate for asisn SPs in the Otrawa market is particularly high so before i book an unknown , i always ask the booker to "guarantee" that the girl i will meet is in fact slim. I also inform them simply that if she is not, i will not stay and i ask in advance because i do not want to waste my time or hers.
4. I follow thru on above. Despite these precautions. On some rare occasiobs where the girl is NOT what was represented to me... i politely excuse myself and leave. End of story.

I am proud to say that with these common sense approaches i have had the pleasure of meeting some truly beautiful, fun and amazing women over the years with very few disappointments which explains why i am still going at it.
Final thought. We as clients also owe these ladies respect by being truthful about our intentions and to show up when we say we will, by being respectful and polite during the session and by being clean and on time. All this goes a long way in ensuring a good time for both you and the lady you are with.

 

[PointyP]

Would a website with list or profile, with some basic features even have to be so complicated? It also doesn't have to be public like terb... It's definitely work, and duplication, but here are some good reasons:

I don't think the original poster implied fees, maybe I'm wrong, but yes there a cost to it, but not necessarily high.

Terb can be very off as well, despite being our go to forum; scammers, fake reviews, reviews written by sps, and bad reviews given for no good reasons, good reviews that I personally objectively found to be, wow not really at all...
Hence I don't take stock in parts of reviews that are beyond service, is the sp real, etc. Try and see for yourself.

Lastly, there is giant disconnect between tryst (pro sp and clients) to Leo (indy); this terb community is at best like 10-20% ppl out there; i know so many indy sps that want to stay super private, just like clients, and think that terb is a cesspool, which sometimes, in part can be, and don't want to participate...

The great silent middle majority that doesn't participate... even myself was a lurker for a long time... they are not on social media or elsewhere. And that is a huge marketing loss.