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Valcazar

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Very interesting that Harris expressed interest and suddenly Rogan is willing to put Trump on.

As others have noted, this will be (like most Rogan interviews) a conversation, not a grilling.
As I've said before, I actually think exploratory conversations, when they are serious about learning things, are much better than adversarial grillings.

There won't be any real fact checking, of course. Trump has already dodged interviews that have real fact checkers, and Rogan doesn't have real fact checking anyway. (He has Jamie pull stuff up he can find on a search, which isn't real fact checking of any substance.)

Some people think Rogan will just be a lickspittle to Trump here, but I don't think that's true.
Yes, Rogan knows his audience is MAGA and he himself has drifted more and more in that general orbit, but he is also protective of his media empire and being a toady to Trump doesn't benefit that.
He will be on Trump's side, but he will ask about things he believes that he disagrees with Trump on or is unsure about or so on. It won't be complete sycophancy. (I would be very surprised, anyway.)

The real question is whether or not Trump can keep it together for a long, rambly conversation.
He won't be pushed and have the kind of lashing out he does under stress, but he has - at his rallies - gotten weirder and weirder as well as more authoritarian in his statements.
Will he be able to moderate himself to not say things that push Rogan or his audience away? Or, even if Rogan's audience is all in on the authoritarianism, sexism, and racism, will the clips be awful enough that they can be spread around as attack ads against Trump?

I don't know.

In a casual conversation with Rogan, he might do great and just speak in vague bullshit he doesn't get called on and not say anything controversial.
I actually kind of think that's the most likely result - a deeply boring conversation.

But Trump's pretty unstable and delicate these days, so who knows if he just spouts off some self-damaging nonsense.
 

Butler1000

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Very interesting that Harris expressed interest and suddenly Rogan is willing to put Trump on.

As others have noted, this will be (like most Rogan interviews) a conversation, not a grilling.
As I've said before, I actually think exploratory conversations, when they are serious about learning things, are much better than adversarial grillings.

There won't be any real fact checking, of course. Trump has already dodged interviews that have real fact checkers, and Rogan doesn't have real fact checking anyway. (He has Jamie pull stuff up he can find on a search, which isn't real fact checking of any substance.)

Some people think Rogan will just be a lickspittle to Trump here, but I don't think that's true.
Yes, Rogan knows his audience is MAGA and he himself has drifted more and more in that general orbit, but he is also protective of his media empire and being a toady to Trump doesn't benefit that.
He will be on Trump's side, but he will ask about things he believes that he disagrees with Trump on or is unsure about or so on. It won't be complete sycophancy. (I would be very surprised, anyway.)

The real question is whether or not Trump can keep it together for a long, rambly conversation.
He won't be pushed and have the kind of lashing out he does under stress, but he has - at his rallies - gotten weirder and weirder as well as more authoritarian in his statements.
Will he be able to moderate himself to not say things that push Rogan or his audience away? Or, even if Rogan's audience is all in on the authoritarianism, sexism, and racism, will the clips be awful enough that they can be spread around as attack ads against Trump?

I don't know.

In a casual conversation with Rogan, he might do great and just speak in vague bullshit he doesn't get called on and not say anything controversial.
I actually kind of think that's the most likely result - a deeply boring conversation.

But Trump's pretty unstable and delicate these days, so who knows if he just spouts off some self-damaging nonsense.
Whole Lotta Copium being taken here. One of your better backhanded passive aggressive diatribes.

If it goes three hours of course it's not going to be all exciting and policy. It's going to cover a variety of topics, life experiences etc. And it's going to do the one thing that the Democrats don't want. It's going to "humanize" him.

It's also going to result in a bunch of viral clips and stitches, both in and out of context. And a level of whining from the mainstream media unheard of, especially after the ratings come in. If it does as well as I suspect, and even moves the needle a bit, it will be another nail in the cable news media's coffin.

And now that Kamala won't it says she is too scared to do it. Offered and declined also means Rogan is not a partisan. He is willing to give them the chance.

No doubt you are already writing the next dose of Copium as we speak.
 

Valcazar

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Whole Lotta Copium being taken here. One of your better backhanded passive aggressive diatribes.

If it goes three hours of course it's not going to be all exciting and policy. It's going to cover a variety of topics, life experiences etc. And it's going to do the one thing that the Democrats don't want. It's going to "humanize" him.
I'm sure that's part of the intention.
The real question is, can and will Trump fuck that up in one of the friendliest of environments possible?

It's also going to result in a bunch of viral clips and stitches, both in and out of context.
That's basically every Joe Rogan interview that someone wants to make a point out of.
Again, the question is which way they will run and which will resonate.

Does Trump fuck it up or not is the only real question here.

And now that Kamala won't it says she is too scared to do it. Offered and declined also means Rogan is not a partisan. He is willing to give them the chance.
Did Harris decline?
Did Rogan decline?

What is the actual statement by both sides here?
All I've seen is Mitch reposting X and only a moron would take that as is.

No doubt you are already writing the next dose of Copium as we speak.
I'm not sure what copium you think is being pitched here.
I basically agreed with you about how it would go and pushed back on the "Rogan will be a lickspittle" idea.
 

Valcazar

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Hey, Butler, you should be able to answer this.
Why won't the Trump podcast be live?
If the JRE podcasts are just him uncut and unedited talking with people, why aren't they streamed live?
 

WyattEarp

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the very fact that trump has not been welcome to rogans show but now he is tells you which way this pendulum is swinging
If you have a pendulum, you gotta swing it.......no?
 
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WyattEarp

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Apparently the Harris/Walz campaign has lost that manufactured joy we kept hearing about...
We won't have a real conversation about the decision to run on "joy" with the progressives until after the election. Even then, they'll look to Russia and other boogeymen if Trump wins.
 
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WyattEarp

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In case anyone had any lingering doubts whose asshole Glenn Greenwald is slurping these days.
Glenn made an acute point about strange bedfellows. The Cheneys, Bill Kristol and George W. Bush are not odd bedfellows?

If you are concerned he has been playing to a conservative audience, you're beginning to understand how the media works.
 
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WyattEarp

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Very interesting that Harris expressed interest and suddenly Rogan is willing to put Trump on.
Did Harris decline?
Did Rogan decline?

What is the actual statement by both sides here?
You're not whining like others here about a Rogan-Trump podcast, but you're sowing doubts.

First, this makes total business sense for Rogan. He's no different than other news outlets. They all need audiences. The timing of a Rogan-Trump podcast in the final days of the campaign couldn't be better for Rogan.

Lastly, early indications is that Rogan's team were in talks with Harris' team. I don't think Rogan wants to appear partisan. We might never know how all this went down. Perhaps Rogan leaked that he was talking to Harris and that forced Trump's hand. Now that Trump is on board to do Rogan, maybe Harris will commit to a discussion with Rogan.

But again, I don't see Rogan trying to promote Trump but rather create buzz for his show. That's the American way.
 

Butler1000

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It is a good question, yeah Butt, why not??
Again, how would I have an answer? However I did a search and found a reddit thread from 5 years ago where it came down to two things. One was copyright strikes on YouTube. And yes they can be a bitch about things, ask any content person.

2nd reason was other people would record clips live and put them up on their own channel, preventing some monetization from him. This way he takes the content, makes clips for advertising/short content money, and at the same time puts it up in its entirety.

But there hasn't been anyone on the show who has said he is editing/deleting content beyond that who has been on the show that I know of. Feel free to post of interviews where this happened.
 

squeezer

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Again, how would I have an answer? However I did a search and found a reddit thread from 5 years ago where it came down to two things. One was copyright strikes on YouTube. And yes they can be a bitch about things, ask any content person.

2nd reason was other people would record clips live and put them up on their own channel, preventing some monetization from him. This way he takes the content, makes clips for advertising/short content money, and at the same time puts it up in its entirety.

But there hasn't been anyone on the show who has said he is editing/deleting content beyond that who has been on the show that I know of. Feel free to post of interviews where this happened.
I don't know if he edits his podcasts, never really looked into it. I know he's not a complete Trump fan. He wanted to vote for RFK because he's become an anti covid anti anti-vaxxer so I am hoping he does challenge Trump tart a bit.
 

Butler1000

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Hey, Butler, you should be able to answer this.
Why won't the Trump podcast be live?
If the JRE podcasts are just him uncut and unedited talking with people, why aren't they streamed live?
I responded above. Also found this...

 

mandrill

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Whole Lotta Copium being taken here. One of your better backhanded passive aggressive diatribes.

If it goes three hours of course it's not going to be all exciting and policy. It's going to cover a variety of topics, life experiences etc. And it's going to do the one thing that the Democrats don't want. It's going to "humanize" him.

It's also going to result in a bunch of viral clips and stitches, both in and out of context. And a level of whining from the mainstream media unheard of, especially after the ratings come in. If it does as well as I suspect, and even moves the needle a bit, it will be another nail in the cable news media's coffin.

And now that Kamala won't it says she is too scared to do it. Offered and declined also means Rogan is not a partisan. He is willing to give them the chance.

No doubt you are already writing the next dose of Copium as we speak.
What life experiences we talking 'bout?..... Snapping his fingers at the wait staff at Mar-a-Lago?

Raping Ivanna?

Stiffing his workmen and small contractors?

Trump university?

The time he deliberately smashed a historic facade in NYC and got away with it because he paid and owned most of city council?

If your ideal occupation is kneeling and dick-sucking an arrogant, corrupt nepo baby, this is your opportunity to suck it deep and wet.
 

Butler1000

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I don't know if he edits his podcasts, never really looked into it. I know he's not a complete Trump fan. He wanted to vote for RFK because he's become an anti covid anti anti-vaxxer so I am hoping he does challenge Trump tart a bit.
I can't find anything about this happening beyond that. Same certainly can't be said about the MSM
 
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