Israel at war

Frankfooter

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The post was about Hamas, not Israel. So dont try to turn my post on Hamas to a criticism of Israel. :)
Criticism of Israeli strikes is on proportionality. It is not that there shouldn't or wouldn't be any casualties.
But if the strike did not meet the criteria it would be considered a war crime by the ICC and ICJ.
And collaborators or not, Hamas' actions are reprehensible when directed as civilians.
I posted a statement by the UN Rapporteur on Israel/Palestine detailing Israeli human rights abuses, rape, torture, apartheid, occupation and now burning people to death.
Your reply to my post was:

Hamas too. They ill treat and dehumanize the Palestinians too.
That was you trying to change the channel to Hamas instead of discussing or even acknowledging Israeli human rights abuses.

And no, criticism towards Israel is not just about 'proportionality', the list of crimes submitted to the ICJ and ICC, documented at the UN and reported by HRW, Amnesty, B'tselem include apartheid, illegal occupation, illegal blockade, illegal transfer of a population, collective punishment, rape, torture, use of human shields, targeting civilians, targeting civilian infrastructure, use of indiscriminate weapons, extermination and genocide. Not just 'proportionality'.
 

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I posted a statement by the UN Rapporteur on Israel/Palestine detailing Israeli human rights abuses, rape, torture, apartheid, occupation and now burning people to death.
Your reply to my post was:

That was you trying to change the channel to Hamas instead of discussing or even acknowledging Israeli human rights abuses.
You posted the statement in response to my response to Mandrills video showing someone beating up people, that it was terrible for the Palestinians (it purported to show Hamas beating up Palestinians).
So I believe you digressed when you posted the UN statement.
 

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Your personal opinion is that Israel is justified committing terrorism and genocide because they are the 'chosen people' as you've stated.
So I say that you feel that 100% of Israeli Jews are Zionists and you offer no contradictory percentage. So I can say whenever I want that you want all Israeli Jews driven into the sea because they are all Zionists
I've posted polls to answer this question and have no desire to repeat them.
Never once.

No matter what I post you will lie about it.
Every post of yours contains lies, including this one.
So why should I answer you?
You've ducked many questions for over a year already. You answer plenty of my question, just not the ones that have you cornered. Then your cowardice is exposed.
 

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You posted the statement in response to my response to Mandrills video showing someone beating up people, that it was terrible for the Palestinians (it purported to show Hamas beating up Palestinians).
So I believe you digressed when you posted the UN statement.
Perhaps, but then you replied to me and not to mandrill.
You took mandrill's post seriously but not the statement by the UN Rapporteur on Irsael/Palestine.
Why?
 

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So I say that you feel that 100% of Israeli Jews are Zionists and you offer no contradictory percentage. So I can say whenever I want that you want all Israeli Jews driven into the sea because they are all Zionists
You can say its your personal opinion, but then I don't have to reply to your personal opinions.
My personal opinion is that you are an ancient, tiny little coward who is afraid to walk with an Israeli flag yet happy to argue that more Palestinians should be burnt to death so that your 'chosen people', as you call them, can steal their land. My personal opinion is that you have a fixation on raping people with dildos, Islamaphobia and extremist views that have lead to you promoting genocide on an escort board for a year.


Never once.
Prove it.

Every post of yours contains lies, including this one.
You've ducked many questions for over a year already. You answer plenty of my question, just not the ones that have you cornered. Then your cowardice is exposed.
You've never proven I've lied about anything.

shack counter:
71 accusations of lying, 46 intentional misquotes (straw man arguments) - 0 proof



They will support Israel and you'll take it with a smile on your face as if it was a 15 inch dildo up your stretched out asshole. Politically speaking, of course.
 

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Then you should reference that or just reply to mandrill.
But I note the same tactic here, a refusal to discuss Israeli crimes or legit reports on them.

Is there a reason you won't reply or comment on statements by the UN Rapporteur on Israel/Palestine?


I have already commented on it before many times.
I have called settlers terrorists.
I have called settlements illegal per international law.
I have called forced evictions and stealing illegal per international law.
But whether or not Israeli actions amount to war crimes in Gaza, Lebanon etc is for the ICC and ICJ to rule on.
The reason we are able to confidently call Hamas actions terrorist but defer to the ICC and ICJ for Israel, is because Hamas literally killed unarmed civilians on camera with the sole purpose of killing them.
This motive is not so clear with Israel's actions, because all of their actions post October 7 has been in response to October 7.
 

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Then you should reference that or just reply to mandrill.
But I note the same tactic here, a refusal to discuss Israeli crimes or legit reports on them.

Is there a reason you won't reply or comment on statements by the UN Rapporteur on Israel/Palestine?


Do They Want American Troops To Die?
by Daniel McAdams Posted onOctober 15, 2024
Biden Administration mismanagement – or worse – from day one of the latest Israeli multi-front war in the Middle East has led us to where we are today, at the brink of an all-out regional war with some 40,000 US troops and multiple US military bases in the region with targets on their back.
Biden’s blank check to Israel after the attacks of October 7, 2023, to launch multiple wars against its neighbors and carry out the mass murder of Palestinian civilians in Gaza has drawn the US right into the middle of a bubbling cauldron of WWIII. And rather than take a sober look at actual US national security interests, Biden and his neocon incompetents are busy adding fuel to the fire hanging on to the pipe dream that they could do what they failed to do so many times before: remake the Middle East in their neocon image.
According to an article in Politico this past week, while Biden Administration officials publicly urged restraint and a reduction in violence, they privately were working with the Israeli government to encourage a widening of Israel’s military operations to include its northern neighbor, Lebanon. Two top Biden Administration officials, Amos Hochstein and Brett McGurk, urged Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to shift Israel’s military focus from the already-flattened Gaza northward to Lebanon.
As Politico reports:
Behind the scenes, Hochstein, McGurk and other top U.S. national security officials are describing Israel’s Lebanon operations as a history-defining moment — one that will reshape the Middle East for the better for years to come.
Where have we heard this kind of “let’s do war to re-shape the Middle East” argument before? As Wikileaks reminds us, appearing before the US Congress in 2002 and urging the US to attack Iraq, Netanyahu himself promised that “If you take out Saddam, Saddam’s regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region.”
Yeah, Bibi. How’d that work out for us?
So why is it that 22 years later senior US officials are echoing Netanyahu’s bogus 2002 lies to draw the US into another “history-defining” catastrophe in the Middle East? For Hochstein it might be that he is not the unbiased “honest broker” we need to keep us out of unnecessary war. After all, as the New York Times reminds us, Hochstein was born in Israel, had/has Israeli citizenship, and even served in the Israeli Defense Forces!
Now he is serving as President Biden’s top advisor for the Middle East – a position where it is critical to bring no personal biases to the table.
This should not automatically disqualify him from the position, of course, but just as with concerns over Victoria Nuland and Antony Blinken’s Ukrainian background, neocons pushing for war in the “old country” from which they should have left old allegiances behind should raise a few eyebrows.
McGurk is similarly compromised, as he is another Victoria Nuland/Zelig-like character who has spent his career weaseling into Republican and Democratic Administrations as an “expert,” while his actual expertise comprises solely his adherence to the neocon ideology of all war all the time. He was on board for Bush’s “remaking of the Middle East” to Obama’s fake “Arab Spring to remake the Middle East” to Trump’s “trash the Iran deal to remake the Middle East.”
The guy is a loser who has been wrong his whole career, with a trail of failures that would sink a normal person. But like the Energizer Bunny he just keeps on ticking and ticking toward yet another disaster.
As Politico goes on to note, the Hochstein/McGurk plan to urge Israeli attacks on Lebanon was not widely accepted among actual experts in the Administration:
The decision to focus on Hezbollah sparked division within the U.S. government, drawing opposition from people inside the Pentagon, State Department and intelligence community who believed Israel’s move against the Iran-backed militia could drag American forces into yet another Middle East conflict.
Of course there is built into the Politico article the assumption that Hochstein and McGurk were at all concerned about “dragging American forces” into Israel’s regional war. In fact, their intent was the opposite. They no doubt yearned to draw the US government into Israel’s regional war.
Which brings us to where we are today, with the Biden Administration committing more US weapons systems and more US military personnel to serve on the ground in Israel in its war against Gaza, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Iran. All at once. How’s that for neocon ambition?
As Pentagon Press Secretary Patrick Ryder announced Monday:


With today’s news that Lebanon successfully counter-attacked Israel – hitting an Israeli military base and taking out dozens of IDF soldiers – it appears certain that President Biden and his neocon-dominated foreign policy team are setting up US military members to be killed in Israel to manufacture consent for a full-on US war against all of Israel’s enemies in the region.
They want American soldiers killed in Israel because they know the enormous propaganda value, particularly among a US population that is increasingly against US involvement in Israel’s wars and in favor of ending them instead.
With Kamala tanking in the eyes of a voting public increasingly unappetized by wilted word salads, an old-fashioned war might be just what the Biden brigades are cooking up to pull their chestnuts out of the fire.
With their track record of failure, it is time for those of us who are sane to be very, very worried.
This is going to get really bad really fast if we cannot get the attention of a slumbering – or worse – Congress.
Daniel McAdams is Executive Director of the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity and co-Producer/co-Host, Ron Paul Liberty Report. Daniel served as the foreign affairs, civil liberties, and defense/intel policy advisor to U.S. Congressman Ron Paul, MD (R-Texas) from 2001 until Dr. Paul’s retirement at the end of 2012. From 1993-1999 he worked as a journalist based in Budapest, Hungary, and traveled through the former communist bloc as a human rights monitor and election observer. Reprinted from The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity.
 

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Mr FAFO has returned. This time, he is a horrified bystander at the scene of an alleged Israeli bombing....

 
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With today’s news that Lebanon successfully counter-attacked Israel – hitting an Israeli military base and taking out dozens of IDF soldiers – it appears certain that President Biden and his neocon-dominated foreign policy team are setting up US military members to be killed in Israel to manufacture consent for a full-on US war against all of Israel’s enemies in the region.
They want American soldiers killed in Israel because they know the enormous propaganda value, particularly among a US population that is increasingly against US involvement in Israel’s wars and in favor of ending them instead.
That's not really "Lebanon", is it?....

That's Hezbollah, which has been firing rockets into civilian settlements in Israel for over a year and got lucky with this one.

Hezbollah is an insurgent, Islamist militia funded by Iran that is in opposition to the legitimate Lebanese government.
 
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Have you ever wondered how, out of 2.5 million Gazans, Mr. FAFO always manages to be at every event, immediately reporting what’s happening while the event is still unfolding?

He’s not a journalist arriving on the scene—he’s already there as it happens.

Also, how is it that they’re always filming and showcasing the victims, without anyone bothering to help? It’s not human instinct to display those in need of care without offering assistance.

Notice how the frames are always narrow; there’s no indication of the general area where the scenes are taking place, and no shot ever shows a wider perspective of what’s happening. It’s always extremely, extremely limited. Well, the answer is that these videos are pre-recorded in controlled studio settings. The production quality may be poor, which is why we easily recognize it.

Then, when a real event occurs that fits the narrative, they release the video as if it’s part of the actual incident. This has happened before with baby dolls posed in unacceptable medical conditions. And this time, it’s the same story.


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That's not really "Lebanon", is it?....

That's Hezbollah, which has been firing rockets into civilian settlements in Israel for over a year and got lucky with this one.

Hezbollah is an insurgent, Islamist militia funded by Iran that is in opposition to the legitimate Lebanese government.
Self deception is a core strategy of the cult
 
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Have you ever wondered how, out of 2.5 million Gazans, Mr. FAFO always manages to be at every event, immediately reporting what’s happening while the event is still unfolding?

He’s not a journalist arriving on the scene—he’s already there as it happens.

Also, how is it that they’re always filming and showcasing the victims, without anyone bothering to help? It’s not human instinct to display those in need of care without offering assistance.

Notice how the frames are always narrow; there’s no indication of the general area where the scenes are taking place, and no shot ever shows a wider perspective of what’s happening. It’s always extremely, extremely limited. Well, the answer is that these videos are pre-recorded in controlled studio settings. The production quality may be poor, which is why we easily recognize it.

Then, when a real event occurs that fits the narrative, they release the video as if it’s part of the actual incident. This has happened before with baby dolls posed in unacceptable medical conditions. And this time, it’s the same story.


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Hoisted on your own petard with that one. Pro Israel X posters can never go wrong with the gullibility of cult members.
 

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I have already commented on it before many times.
I have called settlers terrorists.
I have called settlements illegal per international law.
I have called forced evictions and stealing illegal per international law.
But whether or not Israeli actions amount to war crimes in Gaza, Lebanon etc is for the ICC and ICJ to rule on.
The reason we are able to confidently call Hamas actions terrorist but defer to the ICC and ICJ for Israel, is because Hamas literally killed unarmed civilians on camera with the sole purpose of killing them.
This motive is not so clear with Israel's actions, because all of their actions post October 7 has been in response to October 7.
There is way more evidence available on video and photos, news articles and human rights reports that Israel has also literally killed unarmed civilians on camera for the sole purpose of killing them.

There are 442 quotes from Israeli leaders at the ICJ and ICC on the charges of extermination and genocide detailing the Israeli goals of genocide through bombings, snipers, starvation and destruction of the health care system. Those charges are public and you can read them to see what the evidence is.

The motive is clear and well documented for Israel, including politicians arguing for the right to rape Palestinians to death.

Even on Oct 7 the Israeli investigations by Haaretz show that Israel used the Hannibal Directive to intentionally target and kill their own civilians along with Hamas in order to prevent hostage takings.

Is there any evidence that you would even accept that could change your mind?
 

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That's not really "Lebanon", is it?....

That's Hezbollah, which has been firing rockets into civilian settlements in Israel for over a year and got lucky with this one.

Hezbollah is an insurgent, Islamist militia funded by Iran that is in opposition to the legitimate Lebanese government.
Hezbollah is also a party in the democratically elected government that the US and Israel are trying to overthrow.
They were supported by 40% of voters in the last election.

 
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