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Poll Time - Yes to death penalty or no

JeanGary Diablo

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A hard NO.

1. They've executed innocent people and that's a fact. If 1,000 convicted murderers are executed but one of them is actually innocent, it's one person too many and the system is deeply flawed.
2. Capital punishment is absolutely not a deterrent.
3. It's more expensive to execute a convict than it is to let them stay in prison, because death sentences, at least in the US, are automatically appealed and multiple appeals are often filed
4. In many ways, life in prison is worse than a death sentence. Psychologically, there's no escape from a life sentence
 

Robert Mugabe

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A hard NO.

1. They've executed innocent people and that's a fact. If 1,000 convicted murderers are executed but one of them is actually innocent, it's one person too many and the system is deeply flawed.
2. Capital punishment is absolutely not a deterrent.
3. It's more expensive to execute a convict than it is to let them stay in prison, because death sentences, at least in the US, are automatically appealed and multiple appeals are often filed
4. In many ways, life in prison is worse than a death sentence. Psychologically, there's no escape from a life sentence
In cases like Paul Bernardo where there isn't a scintilla of doubt. Kill him. But add suffering before hand. However killing them mercifully doesn't really punish the crime. And with people in charge of a corrupt system, there is little chance of blind justice.
 
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JeanGary Diablo

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In cases like Paul Bernardo where there isn't a scintilla of doubt. Kill him. But add suffering before hand. However killing them mercifully doesn't really punish the crime. And with people in charge of a corrupt system, there is little chance of blind justice.
It's interesting you bring up Bernardo because I have an acquaintance who worked at Millhaven when Bernardo was an inmate there (he's since been moved somewhere else).

From what I have heard first-hand, there is nothing left of Bernardo. The prison system has broke him. He's mentally nothing but an empty husk of a person. He spent decades living in a small cell all by himself 23 hours a day with CCTV monitoring him 24 hours a day and a guard's desk stationed near his cell.

On top of that, any time he did get moved around outside of his cell, he was flanked by guards and he still had to fear for his life because a lone inmate could still get to him if they really wanted to. Indeed, this happened when he was at Kingston, and another inmate beat the living shit out of him.

Another 10 years on the inside, and Paul Bernardo will likely be nothing but a completely frail dotard wandering aimlessly around his tiny living quarters talking to himself and smearing his own faeces all over his face, if he's not there already.

That's a fate worth than death, because at least the gallows would allow him to die before he completely lost whatever dignity he had left.

As for cases "where there isn't a scintilla of doubt" as to one's guilt. we should not be convicting anyone regardless of their crime unless their guilt is that provable.
 

Robert Mugabe

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It's interesting you bring up Bernardo because I have an acquaintance who worked at Millhaven when Bernardo was an inmate there (he's since been moved somewhere else).

From what I have heard first-hand, there is nothing left of Bernardo. The prison system has broke him. He's mentally nothing but an empty husk of a person. He spent decades living in a small cell all by himself 23 hours a day with CCTV monitoring him 24 hours a day and a guard's desk stationed near his cell.

On top of that, any time he did get moved around outside of his cell, he was flanked by guards and he still had to fear for his life because a lone inmate could still get to him if they really wanted to. Indeed, this happened when he was at Kingston, and another inmate beat the living shit out of him.

Another 10 years on the inside, and Paul Bernardo will likely be nothing but a completely frail dotard wandering aimlessly around his tiny living quarters talking to himself and smearing his own faeces all over his face, if he's not there already.

That's a fate worth than death, because at least the gallows would allow him to die before he completely lost whatever dignity he had left.

As for cases "where there isn't a scintilla of doubt" as to one's guilt. we should not be convicting anyone regardless of their crime unless their guilt is that provable.
Glad to hear Bernardo's punishment is fitting the crime, somewhat, within the bounds of what a civilized society metes out. Couldn't happen to a more deserving person. Too bad Karla didn't get the same treatment. As proven many times. Many people have served decades for crimes they didn't commit. Even when evidence proving their innocence was shown from the start. David Milgard for instance. Larry Fischer's wife went to the cops right after the murder and told the cops they had the wrong guy and she suspected her husband. The desk sergeant told her to take a hike. "We have the right guy"
 
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silentkisser

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No. But I would be okay with a literal life sentence. Let him die in prison.
From my understanding, his time in prison could be very short. They tend to have issues with sex offenders who do things to kids....and kid killers....
 

Insidious Von

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Ted Bundy's appeals cost $5.7 million in public money. Adjusted for inflation as of 2024, that's $9.2 million that the tax payer forks out.

I agree with JGD, life in prison in solitary confinement. In a small cell with almost no sunlight.
 
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roddermac

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A hard NO.

1. They've executed innocent people and that's a fact. If 1,000 convicted murderers are executed but one of them is actually innocent, it's one person too many and the system is deeply flawed.
2. Capital punishment is absolutely not a deterrent.
3. It's more expensive to execute a convict than it is to let them stay in prison, because death sentences, at least in the US, are automatically appealed and multiple appeals are often filed
4. In many ways, life in prison is worse than a death sentence. Psychologically, there's no escape from a life sentence
As long as the convict is still alive the families of the victims psychologically suffer. If anything I'd say use these animals for medical experiments.
 

JeanGary Diablo

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As long as the convict is still alive the families of the victims psychologically suffer. If anything I'd say use these animals for medical experiments.
You're making the gross assumption that all families of murder victims are also proponents of capital punishment.
 

silentkisser

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I'll say this, I am not one for capital punishment. There have been too many people exonerated of crimes decades after conviction. Imagine how many innocent people might have been killed already, including Marcellus Williams who was recently executed (with many people saying he was not guilty or involved in the murder he was convicted of.

I'd also say that life in prison is no picnic.
 
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