I think Elon Musk and his boring company have proposed something like this in Los Angeles. They just need faster boring machines, which they are working on.
Doug Ford proposes tunneling under the 401 to create an underground freeway to relieve 401 congestion
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I mean, the thing to keep in mind is that even if they were willing to pay a fair price for the 407, it'd be billions of dollars...the consortium that owns it (which includes CPPIB) would want to make a tidy profit...And, if they went about "nationalizing" it, what foreign business would invest here?
All that being said....the whole Ontario Place/Therme deal gives me 407 flashbacks....
You ain't wrong....
As for the tunnel...what public works project has ever come in on budget or time??? I know some construction project managers who do things for major corporations, and they explain that the politicians take the "best case scenario" when they announce something will be $1.5 billion and take three years....when in reality, the project would realistically be $3 billion and take six years...
The best solution is to just pay for all trucks passage on the 407.
You don't need to buy the highway at all.
The following study: Comparison-of-Highway-413-and-Highway-407-for-Improving-Truck-and-Freight-Mobility-in-the-Greater-Toronto-Area.pdf (environmentaldefence.ca) pegs the cost of a provincial government fully covering the costs of commercial truck traffic on the 407 as $4billion over 30 years.
This is much more cost effective and provides a rapid and realistic method of alleviating congestion on the 400 series of highways.
Folks, get your noggins around the fact that this Thug brainfart tunnel from hell is nothing but a political ploy and tactic that plays perfectly into his wedge issue politicking and diverts attention spans from real issues more pressing and dire which he has let fester and worse, purposely planned and manufactured to increase towards tipping points so that his go to private interests are called in to "fix".
Not to mention that the higher cost of highway maintenance associated with truck traffic then falls to the 407 consortium and half of that profit still goes back into Canadian pensions. Win/win.
So when someone presents a study by an organization that's remotely associated with the oil/gas industry about the climate, you and Frankfooter have a stroke.
The you peddle a paper from a tree-hugging environmental charity organization?
That's funny.
Looking at all options is what governments at all levels should do.Finally someone gave The Dougler a couple beers and talked some sense into him. IDK how someone so blatantly dumb can be responsible for Canada's largest and most significant province.
https://globalnews.ca/news/10790352...BKhAIACoHCAow3tKFCzDd_oID&utm_content=rundown
Building tunnels, buying back 407, I'm sure there are more...try & keep current.
I think DoFo has learned that the opposition (and people that just don't like him just because) will criticize any option or decision he makes available. No for the sake of no.
So why go through all that bs when you can work out the best option(s) and just communicate fewer things to be criticized about anyway?
They criticized the building of the Toronto subway back in the day for many of the same reasons. Now the same people who criticize things are the ones who praise public transit downtown.
Funny eh?
You cannot possibly believe that the Thug's "tunnel" utterance is actually a viable option worthy of wasting/diverting any time, resources and money to even study?
If you do, Thug luvs ya, because his intent was to wedgie his culture vultures, rubes, hayseeds, yokels come early, $$ wasteful, not needed or wanted election time.
I bet people like you thought building the PATH under skyscrapers downtown was a waste of money too?
How about the study conducted in 2015 to bury part of the Gardiner?
Do you think it's an election issue and fear that DoFo will win again because more people will want it rather than more bike lanes? Shame on DoFo for giving people what they want.
It is indeed a popularity contest but I think part of that is also about who people trust more than the next person. People trust Ford more than the other wackos in the other parties. That usually changes over time regardless.
That's why today's politics use painting the opposition as "untrustworthy" more than anything else because that will get you a bigger bang for the buck in terms of swaying voters.
Do it.
I fully support you commuting on bike on the 401.
Don't forget your helmet.
His fantasy tunnel is as viable as was his fiasco of a $8.2billion shanty town, Greenbelt housing plan, his $1billion flop of a drowned into the depths of Lake Ontario underground parking fish tank.
I bet people just like you thought and still think they're wonderful wastes.
Shame on you, for allowing your dear leader, The Thug, play you for a rube, hayseed and yokel.
In other words, when you're cornered, you pivot to another topic and start talking gibberish. Every time.
The death knell of someone who trips over their own argument and starts sputtering nonsense hoping to distract away from their failure.
You're not even as good at that as some of the others here.
Which begs the question: what are you good for?
Wait, you think we need bike lanes for safety but are against them in the city?
