Climate Change

Frankfooter

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too funny

you got confused by altitude expressed in pressure
you would be totally lost reading a real scientific paper they contain fuzzy math which confuses you and tend to focus on the troposphere, which confuses you because ........ you live on the surface, despite having been informed many times the greenhouse effect occurs almost entirely in the troposphere
Holy shit, larue.
Why are you such a dishonest dipshit?

If you want to make this idiotic claim that climate change should only be measured in the clouds find predictions for changes there to measure it.
Stop this idiotic claim that you can compare surface temperature predictions with satellite measurements that ended in 2015 in the troposphere.

Its idiotic.
Don't compare apples to oranges.
 

JohnLarue

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Holy shit, larue.
Why are you such a dishonest dipshit?
you are the most dishonest individual i have ever encountered

If you want to make this idiotic claim that climate change should only be measured in the clouds find predictions for changes there to measure it.
#1. My god you are stupid
#2 That is not my claim- DO NOT MISREPRESENT ME - you ignorant fool
#3 if you had being paying attention you would know cloud formation is next to impossible to predict


Stop this idiotic claim that you can compare surface temperature predictions with satellite measurements that ended in 2015 in the troposphere.
the satellite data is independently verified by weather balloon data . this means they are accurate.
the surface data record is
filled with errors
contaminated by the urban island heat effect
incomplete
has been fiddled with
the surface data record is a mess


Its idiotic.
Don't compare apples to oranges.
so use the accurate satellite data set and stop using the inaccurate mess that is the surface data set

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JohnLarue

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You are a fool, the models are very accurate.
You are actively participating in fossil fuel disinformation that will make your kids lives worse.



The GCMs have various limitations. First, the effect of increasing CO2 emissions on the climate cannot be evaluated precisely on time scales that are of the order of less than or equal to 100 years. Second, there is a lack of knowledge of the uncertainty which is partly due to the choice of the subscale models and the parameterization and calibration of these, as well as insufficient data. Third, according to some evaluations, GCMs are not sufficiently reliable to distinguish between natural and man-made causes of the temperature increase in the 20th century
GCMs are typically evaluated applying the same observations used to calibrate the model parameters. In an article in Science, Voosen (2016) writes; “Indeed, whether climate scientists like to admit it or not, nearly every model has been calibrated precisely to the 20th century climate records – otherwise it would have ended up in the trash”. Unfortunately, models that match 20th century data as a result of calibration using the same 20th century data are of dubious quality for determining the causes of the 20th century temperature variability.
i.e. climate models are shite

we have summarized recent work on statistical analyses on the ability of the GCMs to track historical temperature data. These studies have demonstrated that the time series of the difference between the global temperature and the corresponding hindcast from the GCMs is non-stationary. Thus, these studies raise serious doubts about whether the GCMs are able to distinguish natural variations in temperatures from variations caused by man-made emissions of CO2.
i.e. climate models are still shite

In other words, our analysis indicates that with the current level of knowledge, it seems impossible to determine how much of the temperature increase is due to emissions of CO2.


the climate models do not stand up to INDEPENDANT statistical analysis, nor do they represent the atmospheric physics


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Frankfooter

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the satellite data is independently verified by weather balloon data . this means they are accurate.
the surface data record is
filled with errors
contaminated by the urban island heat effect
I don't care about your incredibly ignorant views on why you think a data set that ended in 2015 is 'more accurate'.

You are still acting like a dishonest dipshit.
Find projections for change in the troposphere if that's your metric.
Stop being an asswipe by trying to compare surface temperature projections to troposphere readings.

Its really stupid and really dishonest.
 

JohnLarue

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I don't care about your incredibly ignorant views on why you think a data set that ended in 2015 is 'more accurate'.
simply because you do not understand the significance / important of independently verified data
it is really too bad for you that you dropped out of high school.

independent verification is scientific confirmation that the satellite data is accurate

You are still acting like a dishonest dipshit.
the are few words to describe your behaviour. none of them are complementary

Find projections for change in the troposphere if that's your metric.
how many times to you need to told?
our climate system is far too complex to predict with any significant degree of confidence


Stop being an asswipe by trying to compare surface temperature projections to troposphere readings.
so use the accurate satellite data set and stop using the inaccurate mess that is the surface data set

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Its really stupid and really dishonest.
the greenhouse effect occurs almost entirely in the troposphere
it makes perfect sense to view tropospheric temperature anomaly's

what is very dishonest is insisting on using surface temperature data that you know is

filled with errors
contaminated by the urban island heat effect
incomplete
has been fiddled with

you insist on using flawed data in order to maintain your false narrative and evil propaganda
that is as dishonest as it gets


now learn something from you favourite country Norway

https://www.ssb.no/natur-og-miljo/forurensning-og-klima/artikler/i-hvilken-grad-endrer-temperaturnivaet-seg-pa-grunn-av-klimagassutslipp/_/attachment/inline/5a3f4a9b-3bc3-4988-9579-9fea82944264:f63064594b9225f9d7dc458b0b70a646baec3339/DP1007.pdf


The GCMs have various limitations. First, the effect of increasing CO2 emissions on the climate cannot be evaluated precisely on time scales that are of the order of less than or equal to 100 years. Second, there is a lack of knowledge of the uncertainty which is partly due to the choice of the subscale models and the parameterization and calibration of these, as well as insufficient data. Third, according to some evaluations, GCMs are not sufficiently reliable to distinguish between natural and man-made causes of the temperature increase in the 20th century
GCMs are typically evaluated applying the same observations used to calibrate the model parameters. In an article in Science, Voosen (2016) writes; “Indeed, whether climate scientists like to admit it or not, nearly every model has been calibrated precisely to the 20th century climate records – otherwise it would have ended up in the trash”. Unfortunately, models that match 20th century data as a result of calibration using the same 20th century data are of dubious quality for determining the causes of the 20th century temperature variability.
i.e. climate models are shite

we have summarized recent work on statistical analyses on the ability of the GCMs to track historical temperature data. These studies have demonstrated that the time series of the difference between the global temperature and the corresponding hindcast from the GCMs is non-stationary. Thus, these studies raise serious doubts about whether the GCMs are able to distinguish natural variations in temperatures from variations caused by man-made emissions of CO2.
i.e. climate models are still shite

In other words, our analysis indicates that with the current level of knowledge, it seems impossible to determine how much of the temperature increase is due to emissions of CO2.

the climate models do not stand up to INDEPENDANT statistical analysis, nor do they represent the atmospheric physics
 

Frankfooter

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simply because you do not understand the significance / important of independently verified data
it is really too bad for you that you dropped out of high school.

independent verification is scientific confirmation that the satellite data is accurate
I expect I have more degrees than you, larue.
Your phys ed bachelor doesn't really count for much.

Its clear that you couldn't have gone much further than that, you are unable to find legit sources, unable to credit your sources accurately, unable to do research, unable to understand basic concept, unable to take part in actual dialog or debate and unable to learn anything.

You post the same crap over and over again but can't understand the basics.
1) you are still being a dishonest dipshit by trying to compare surface temperature projections with measurements in the troposhpere
2) your satellite data is old and suspect, it stops in 2015 and you can't explain why.
 

JohnLarue

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I expect I have more degrees than you, larue.
you expect to be wrong then
it is brutally obvious you did not finish high school,


Your phys ed bachelor doesn't really count for much.
too funny
wrong again

Its clear that you couldn't have gone much further than that, you are unable to find legit sources, unable to credit your sources accurately, unable to do research, unable to understand basic concept, unable to take part in actual dialog or debate and unable to learn anything.
you think copy and paste of internet articles and claiming a consensus of opinion is science.
you do not have a clue about true scientific discovery
for Christ sakes you do not understand the importance / significance of independent verification

You post the same crap over and over again but can't understand the basics.
you repeat the same propaganda over and over despite having their flaws explained to multiple times

1) you are still being a dishonest dipshit by trying to compare surface temperature projections with measurements in the troposhpere
asked and answered

2) your satellite data is old and suspect, it stops in 2015 and you can't explain why.
satellite data is not suspect , it has been verified by independent weather balloon data sets. you blithering moron
if you want an update , arrange to fund Dr. Christy to provide an update

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what is very dishonest is insisting on using surface temperature data that you know is

filled with errors
contaminated by the urban island heat effect
incomplete
has been fiddled with

you insist on using flawed data in order to maintain your false narrative and evil propaganda
that is as dishonest as it gets


now learn something from you favourite country Norway
https://www.ssb.no/natur-og-miljo/f...594b9225f9d7dc458b0b70a646baec3339/DP1007.pdf

The GCMs have various limitations. First, the effect of increasing CO2 emissions on the climate cannot be evaluated precisely on time scales that are of the order of less than or equal to 100 years. Second, there is a lack of knowledge of the uncertainty which is partly due to the choice of the subscale models and the parameterization and calibration of these, as well as insufficient data. Third, according to some evaluations, GCMs are not sufficiently reliable to distinguish between natural and man-made causes of the temperature increase in the 20th century
GCMs are typically evaluated applying the same observations used to calibrate the model parameters. In an article in Science, Voosen (2016) writes; “Indeed, whether climate scientists like to admit it or not, nearly every model has been calibrated precisely to the 20th century climate records – otherwise it would have ended up in the trash”. Unfortunately, models that match 20th century data as a result of calibration using the same 20th century data are of dubious quality for determining the causes of the 20th century temperature variability.
i.e. climate models are shite

we have summarized recent work on statistical analyses on the ability of the GCMs to track historical temperature data. These studies have demonstrated that the time series of the difference between the global temperature and the corresponding hindcast from the GCMs is non-stationary. Thus, these studies raise serious doubts about whether the GCMs are able to distinguish natural variations in temperatures from variations caused by man-made emissions of CO2.
i.e. climate models are still shite

In other words, our analysis indicates that with the current level of knowledge, it seems impossible to determine how much of the temperature increase is due to emissions of CO2.
the climate models do not stand up to INDEPENDANT statistical analysis, nor do they represent the atmospheric physics
 

Frankfooter

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satellite data is not suspect , it has been verified by independent weather balloon data sets. you blithering moron
if you want an update , arrange to fund Dr. Christy to provide an update
You won't used the updated temperatures because you know it proves you are lying.
Because you are a dishonest dipshit.

NASA says surface temps are more reliable.
I trust them, not some dipshit phys ed teacher.

In summary, while satellites provide valuable information about Earth's temperature, ground thermometers are considered more reliable because they directly measure the temperature where people reside. Satellite data require complex processing and modeling to convert brightness measurements into temperature readings, making ground thermometers a more direct and accurate source of temperature information for us.
 

JohnLarue

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You won't used the updated temperatures because you know it proves you are lying.
Because you are a dishonest dipshit.
if you want an update , arrange to fund Dr. Christy to provide an update

the greenhouse effect occurs almost entirely in the troposphere

1717381897582.png


what is very dishonest is insisting on using surface temperature data that you know is

filled with errors
contaminated by the urban island heat effect
incomplete
has been fiddled with

you insist on using flawed data in order to maintain your false narrative and evil propaganda
that is as dishonest as it gets


now learn something from you favourite country Norway
https://www.ssb.no/natur-og-miljo/f...594b9225f9d7dc458b0b70a646baec3339/DP1007.pdf

The GCMs have various limitations. First, the effect of increasing CO2 emissions on the climate cannot be evaluated precisely on time scales that are of the order of less than or equal to 100 years. Second, there is a lack of knowledge of the uncertainty which is partly due to the choice of the subscale models and the parameterization and calibration of these, as well as insufficient data. Third, according to some evaluations, GCMs are not sufficiently reliable to distinguish between natural and man-made causes of the temperature increase in the 20th century
GCMs are typically evaluated applying the same observations used to calibrate the model parameters. In an article in Science, Voosen (2016) writes; “Indeed, whether climate scientists like to admit it or not, nearly every model has been calibrated precisely to the 20th century climate records – otherwise it would have ended up in the trash”. Unfortunately, models that match 20th century data as a result of calibration using the same 20th century data are of dubious quality for determining the causes of the 20th century temperature variability.
i.e. climate models are shite

we have summarized recent work on statistical analyses on the ability of the GCMs to track historical temperature data. These studies have demonstrated that the time series of the difference between the global temperature and the corresponding hindcast from the GCMs is non-stationary. Thus, these studies raise serious doubts about whether the GCMs are able to distinguish natural variations in temperatures from variations caused by man-made emissions of CO2.
i.e. climate models are still shite

In other words, our analysis indicates that with the current level of knowledge, it seems impossible to determine how much of the temperature increase is due to emissions of CO2.
the climate models do not stand up to INDEPENDANT statistical analysis, nor do they represent the atmospheric physics
 

Frankfooter

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if you want an update , arrange to fund Dr. Christy to provide an update
No, its up to you to post current numbers and not use a data set that ended 9 years ago.
You really have no clue why satellite readings aren't as reliable, do you?

 

Phil C. McNasty

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So we had maybe 2 weeks of really hot weather, but otherwise it was just another normal summer
 
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