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Black Lives Matter says Dems are 'party of hypocrites' for 'installing' Harris sans 'public voting process'

Valcazar

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Those aren't her policies? Or are you saying she is going to run every single thing the exact same way? Lonk please.
I'm saying that's the starting position of her policies.
Continuity with the previous administration.
She will choose what she separates on.
No one would assume she has no policies.
 

Skoob

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:nod:

So probably wrong, then, as I thought.

Those would likely be news articles recently after the election, using notoriously incorrect exit polls.

Still.
The main point you are making is one we agree on - Trump's support went up and current evidence shows it will likely be up again.
What's a more accurate source if exit polls are notoriously incorrect in your opiniom?
 

Frankfooter

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Interesting.
This person has announced that Harris can't get her vote under any circumstances.

"And I will not be voting for Harris/Walz unless there is an arms embargo on Israel and an end to the horrific genocide in Palestine."

Since those are asks that cannot happen before the election, this is just a request for Harris to stop trying to court their vote.
Bad strategy.
Why can't those happen before the election?
 

Valcazar

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What's a more accurate source if exit polls are notoriously incorrect in your opiniom?
I like Pew's Validated Voters approach.

They did one for 2020 and 2022 as well.
(I put the 2016 one in because they go into the rationale more there, I find.)

Exit polls are useful, but are known to not be super reliable.
Going over the data later and cross checking it is more accurate, but of course it takes much longer and so people remember those instant polls first.
 

Valcazar

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Why can't those happen before the election?
What makes you think the Republican House is going to pass a law embargoing arms sales to Israel in the next 90 days?
What makes you think Netanyahu is going to stop the military attacks, let alone the genocide, which you have defined as broader than just the military action, in the next 90 days?
 

Frankfooter

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What makes you think the Republican House is going to pass a law embargoing arms sales to Israel in the next 90 days?
What makes you think Netanyahu is going to stop the military attacks, let alone the genocide, which you have defined as broader than just the military action, in the next 90 days?
It was Biden that ok'd the transfer of $3.5 billion in US bombs to be used on schools and tents.
its illegal for the US to be funding war crimes, all Biden has to do is declare he won't break the law and will respect ICC, ICJ and UNSC rulings.
This is under Biden's control, not the GOP.

Netanyahu won't stop the genocide, if he does his career is done.
Someone else has to force him to stop.

Do you think the genocide can and should continue?

 

Valcazar

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It was Biden that ok'd the transfer of $3.5 billion in US bombs to be used on schools and tents.
its illegal for the US to be funding war crimes, all Biden has to do is declare he won't break the law and will respect ICC, ICJ and UNSC rulings.
This is under Biden's control, not the GOP.
That's not an arms embargo.

Netanyahu won't stop the genocide, if he does his career is done.
Someone else has to force him to stop.
And who is going to do that and how?
How much military force does the US need to exert to stop him?
What other countries should be involved in this overthrow of Israel as a sovereign nation?

Because if that is going to happen in less than 90 days, that isn't a question of "pressure", now is it?
It's a call for regime change / government overthrow.

Do you think the genocide can and should continue?
No.
I don't approve of Israel's actions at all.
 

Frankfooter

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That's not an arms embargo.
Why are you fixated only on that move?
There are options.

And who is going to do that and how?
How much military force does the US need to exert to stop him?
What other countries should be involved in this overthrow of Israel as a sovereign nation?

Because if that is going to happen in less than 90 days, that isn't a question of "pressure", now is it?
It's a call for regime change / government overthrow.
The US just needs to say they support the UNSC call for a ceasefire, support the ICC warrants, the ICJ charges and will as a result stop all financing of Israel along with declaring that funding settlements is illegal. They could declare AIPAC foreign lobbyists.
Do those and the genocide will be ended.

Meanwhile, Yemen has still shut down the gulf, Erdogan has threatened action against Israel and Iran has been working with Putin to supply and prep for the response to the assassinations in Iran and Lebanon.

Israel is bombing Yemen (where 70 Israeli/US militia were killed last week), Syria, Lebanon and threatening Egypt.

This threatens to escalate unless someone intervenes.

Who else

No.
I don't approve of Israel's actions at all.
Maybe, but it appears here like the way you might not approve of Taylor Swift's latest tune.
 

Valcazar

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Why are you fixated only on that move?
There are options.
The person didn't offer other options.
It was arms embargo or nothing.

That was the whole point.

The US just needs to say they support the UNSC call for a ceasefire, support the ICC warrants, the ICJ charges and will as a result stop all financing of Israel along with declaring that funding settlements is illegal. They could declare AIPAC foreign lobbyists.
Do those and the genocide will be ended.
Really?
I love how solving the middle east is so easy.

Meanwhile, Yemen has still shut down the gulf, Erdogan has threatened action against Israel and Iran has been working with Putin to supply and prep for the response to the assassinations in Iran and Lebanon.

Israel is bombing Yemen (where 70 Israeli/US militia were killed last week), Syria, Lebanon and threatening Egypt.

This threatens to escalate unless someone intervenes.

Who else
So it is a yes on "The US needs to overthrow Israel" for you?
 

Skoob

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Really?
I love how solving the middle east is so easy.
Frankfooter's solutions to global issues are derived from a mindset of over simplifying, assuming all nations think alike and a sprinkle of unicorns and pixie dust.

For example, his solution to making North American manufacturing competitive globally is to politely ask nations like China, Mexico, etc to unionize their workforces and drive up their cost of labour so that it's higher than North American unionized labour. Just like that. If you argue that's never going to happen, he'll attacking you for not supporting workers.

His solution to the middle east is similar to that: Just have allies stop supporting each other and hope that everyone just gets along.
 

Frankfooter

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The person didn't offer other options.
It was arms embargo or nothing.

That was the whole point.
Ah, you're taking xitter posts literally and assuming she was voicing an ultimatum based on one policy.

Really?
I love how solving the middle east is so easy.
The question is why do you think it wouldn't work.

So it is a yes on "The US needs to overthrow Israel" for you?
Where on earth did you come up with that straw man?
 

Frankfooter

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Frankfooter's solutions to global issues are derived from a mindset of over simplifying, assuming all nations think alike and a sprinkle of unicorns and pixie dust.

For example, his solution to making North American manufacturing competitive globally is to politely ask nations like China, Mexico, etc to unionize their workforces and drive up their cost of labour so that it's higher than North American unionized labour. Just like that. If you argue that's never going to happen, he'll attacking you for not supporting workers.

His solution to the middle east is similar to that: Just have allies stop supporting each other and hope that everyone just gets along.
Its straw man sunday on terb.

Your policy is to argue that Canadians should accept being paid 90% less in order to compete with workers from the Southern Hemisphere.
That is what you argued.
 

Butler1000

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I'm saying that's the starting position of her policies.
Continuity with the previous administration.
She will choose what she separates on.
No one would assume she has no policies.
Um, she does Need to clarify things and quickly. Or People have the option to assume the worst.
 

Valcazar

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Ah, you're taking xitter posts literally and assuming she was voicing an ultimatum based on one policy.
Yes.
That was my point.

It was a ludicrous demand that couldn't happen before the election.

You then asked why I said it couldn't and i explained.

If you had said "Actually, those aren't her demands at all" I would have said that was good since there would be room to accommodate.
Because demands that are impossible to meet are just bad strategy. Which was my original post.

The question is why do you think it wouldn't work.
Because I don't believe in magic and there is a long history of human international relations that show things aren't that simple.

Where on earth did you come up with that straw man?
Just following your logic and then you said someone has to do something.
That's why I am asking you to clarify.

It sounds like you are saying the US needs to to anything and everything possible to stop the genocide, up to and including overthrowing the current Israeli government.
If that isn't true, please tell me where the US should stop.
At what point are you willing to accept the genocide continue since the US didn't do anything?
 

Frankfooter

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Yes.
That was my point.

It was a ludicrous demand that couldn't happen before the election.

You then asked why I said it couldn't and i explained.

If you had said "Actually, those aren't her demands at all" I would have said that was good since there would be room to accommodate.
Because demands that are impossible to meet are just bad strategy. Which was my original post.
No, this is you trying to rationalize declaring that stopping sending weapons to Israel is 'impossible' based on your choice to take a post literally as if it were a policy paper.

Because I don't believe in magic and there is a long history of human international relations that show things aren't that simple.
Reagan made one phone call and stopped Israeli action.
There are many avenues for pressure that could stop the genocide if Biden wanted.


Just following your logic and then you said someone has to do something.
That's why I am asking you to clarify.

It sounds like you are saying the US needs to to anything and everything possible to stop the genocide, up to and including overthrowing the current Israeli government.
If that isn't true, please tell me where the US should stop.
At what point are you willing to accept the genocide continue since the US didn't do anything?
I'll ask you to clarify.
Where did I say the US needs to overthrow Israel.
Provide a quote.
If you're going to be literal with that xitter post I expect you to apply the same standards here.
Back up your thesis with proper support material.
 

Skoob

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Its straw man sunday on terb.

Your policy is to argue that Canadians should accept being paid 90% less in order to compete with workers from the Southern Hemisphere.
That is what you argued.
More like "Make Shit Up About What Others Have Said" Weekend.

I never sad Canadians should be paid 90% less. I guess you haven't figured out why manufacturing jobs have left Canada & the US and won't be coming back.

Maybe gain some insight before inventing an alternate reality.
 

silentkisser

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Trump has always done better with men than women, and that includes Black Men.

I think 20% of the Black vote is high, but I could see Trump getting there with Black men.
Anything is possible, but I don't think it is that likely....And, because of Republican gerrymandering, it might not have the impact it could have, if electoral districts were sane...
 
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