Far-Left Takeover of the Democratic Party

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On paper Kamala looks good because she’s not old and senile. Most haven’t really had exposure to her as the White House kept her hidden for the last 3 and a half years. Wait until they see her talk - she never makes any sense and just generally bad at speaking and debating. She’s also the “border czar” who let the illegals in at a record amount.

Honestly if the democrats could move center I would vote for democrats. The best presidencies are the ones where you stop paying attention to politics and just enjoy your life. Unfortunately democrats have been hikacked by the extreme left who in my opinion are more dangerous to the well being of the middle class than the extreme right.
 

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On paper Kamala looks good because she’s not old and senile. Most haven’t really had exposure to her as the White House kept her hidden for the last 3 and a half years. Wait until they see her talk - she never makes any sense and just generally bad at speaking and debating. She’s also the “border czar” who let the illegals in at a record amount.

Honestly if the democrats could move center I would vote for democrats. The best presidencies are the ones where you stop paying attention to politics and just enjoy your life. Unfortunately democrats have been hikacked by the extreme left who in my opinion are more dangerous to the well being of the middle class than the extreme right.
Of course she does!

Of course she's not!

Who has?

Yes, they did!

Just wait!

But, of course!

Of course you would!

Of course you are!

Of course they're not!

Of course you're not!
 

Dutch Oven

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In fact, the rich elite plutocrats support the Republicans, whoever leads the Repugs. It's part of the deal. They fund the GOP. The GOP gives them tax cuts and rolls back environmental protections. Right?
And the rich elite plutocrats support the Democrats, whoever leads the Dumbocrats. They fund the Dems. The Dems give them subsistence wage illegal immigrant workers, globalist trade policies, and the specific profit opportunities that lie behind the fake green energy policies of the left.
 

silentkisser

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You are very naive sir. The koch (the other one is dead) supported Nikki Haley, musk supported him after the assassination, and devos is a billionaire?
Yeah, but Koch is supporting him, Musk is only open about supporting Trump now (you believe he wasn't already in secret), and Betsy Devos is worth over $5 billion....

But, as others have said, the average GOP supporter is voting against their best interests. You might not believe that, but it is certainly true. You think the blue collar or factory workers benefit under the GOP, where the state governors put in At-will employment, or the move to strip away worker protections. But sure, having to tolerate LGBTQ and minorities having equal rights is a bridge too far...
 
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Yeah, but Koch is supporting him, Musk is only open about supporting Trump now (you believe he wasn't already in secret), and Betsy Devos is worth over $5 billion....

But, as others have said, the average GOP supporter is voting against their best interests. You might not believe that, but it is certainly true. You think the blue collar or factory workers benefit under the GOP, where the state governors put in At-will employment, or the move to strip away worker protections. But sure, having to tolerate LGBTQ and minorities having equal rights is a bridge too far...
Blue collar and factory workers will absolutely benefit from Trumps re-election. Inflation exploded under Biden. Guess who that hurt the most? Definitely not hollywood, academia, or the coastal liberal elites who support Biden/Harris.
 
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silentkisser

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Blue collar and factory workers will absolutely benefit from Trumps re-election. Inflation exploded under Biden. Guess who that hurt the most? Definitely not hollywood, academia, or the coastal liberal elites who support Biden/Harris.
Inflation had very little to do with Biden, no matter how much the right wants to believe it. The pandemic caused widespread disruptions around the world. Supply chains were fucked up. That is beyond any president's control. BUT....if you want to just look at the facts without context, Trump saw the GREATEST job loss in American history during his administration. Period. End of story. That must've hurt a lot of blue collar workers...

Now, when those same blue collar workers are no longer protected by OSHA or labor laws...I wonder how they're going to feel about voting for Trump.
 

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Inflation had very little to do with Biden, no matter how much the right wants to believe it. The pandemic caused widespread disruptions around the world. Supply chains were fucked up. That is beyond any president's control. BUT....if you want to just look at the facts without context, Trump saw the GREATEST job loss in American history during his administration. Period. End of story. That must've hurt a lot of blue collar workers...

Now, when those same blue collar workers are no longer protected by OSHA or labor laws...I wonder how they're going to feel about voting for Trump.
Inflation had very little to do with Biden but Trump had a lot to do with COVID is that it? The democrats were crying about COVID but can't point the effect because Biden only "inherit" the problem...LOL
 

Dutch Oven

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:LOL::ROFLMAO::geek::D

Oh shit!

You're a riot.
Trumps policies are about forcing foreign businesses who want access to the American market to employ Americans. The Democrat position is to globalize the economy, leaving the middle class to chase fewer jobs in America (and in the imaginary green energy sector), while facing higher taxes to support more people who are unemployed or underemployed.

Many middle class workers will see hope in Trumps position and futility in the Democrat vision.

Funny, huh?
 
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silentkisser

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Inflation had very little to do with Biden but Trump had a lot to do with COVID is that it? The democrats were crying about COVID but can't point the effect because Biden only "inherit" the problem...LOL
LOL
See, that's what happens when you strip away context or nuance. I thought you would've gotten that. But, I think anyone with critical thinking skills (which sadly, seems to excludes most right wingers) would see that Trump handled COVID horribly. He didn't show leadership, didn't try to unite the country, was more concerned about bad press than working to help people, and listened to right-wing folks more than medical experts. I'm not going to pretend any politician got this right. Some did better than others, but Trump was one of the worst. How many American lives could have been saved if he listened to experts? And keep in mind, the number of deaths in so-called Red states was significantly higher than in blue, despite the early death toll in places like NYC.
 
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silentkisser

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Trumps policies are about forcing foreign businesses who want access to the American market to employ Americans. The Democrat position is to globalize the economy, leaving the middle class to chase fewer jobs in America (and in the imaginary green energy sector), while facing higher taxes to support more people who are unemployed or underemployed.

Many middle class workers will see hope in Trumps position and futility in the Democrat vision.

Funny, huh?
Explain then, why manufacturing jobs are soaring under Biden but were stagnant under Trump?
 

richaceg

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LOL
See, that's what happens when you strip away context or nuance. I thought you would've gotten that. But, I think anyone with critical thinking skills (which sadly, seems to excludes most right wingers) would see that Trump handled COVID horribly. He didn't show leadership, didn't try to unite the country, was more concerned about bad press than working to help people, and listened to right-wing folks more than medical experts. I'm not going to pretend any politician got this right. Some did better than others, but Trump was one of the worst. How many American lives could have been saved if he listened to experts? And keep in mind, the number of deaths in so-called Red states was significantly higher than in blue, despite the early death toll in places like NYC.
No...you wouldn't accept Trump no matter what...he will be "the worst" no matter what....he wasn't dividing the country...the democrats are...you won't even take yes as an answer if it comes from Trump....don't kid yourself...
 

Dutch Oven

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Explain then, why manufacturing jobs are soaring under Biden but were stagnant under Trump?
Be more specific. Manufacturing jobs took a massive hit during Covid (during the Trump presidency) because of lockdown and other disruptive measures taken by States (the most onerous measures being enacted by blue states). Biden has an annoying habit of falsely claiming that people returning to work following the termination of the measures (usually due to pressure created by red states getting back to work more quickly and comprehensively) are "job gains". The proper comparison would be to pre-Covid job numbers.
 

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Inflation had very little to do with Biden, no matter how much the right wants to believe it. The pandemic caused widespread disruptions around the world. Supply chains were fucked up. That is beyond any president's control. BUT....if you want to just look at the facts without context, Trump saw the GREATEST job loss in American history during his administration. Period. End of story. That must've hurt a lot of blue collar workers...

Now, when those same blue collar workers are no longer protected by OSHA or labor laws...I wonder how they're going to feel about voting for Trump.
End of story? Any proof to back that up?

Take a look at how much money Biden's administration has printed out of thin air since he took office. That mostly went to the top 1%. Theres a reason the biden admin has lost the lower and middle class.

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silentkisser

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No...you wouldn't accept Trump no matter what...he will be "the worst" no matter what....he wasn't dividing the country...the democrats are...you won't even take yes as an answer if it comes from Trump....don't kid yourself...
Not totally sure what you mean by taking Trump's yes....

But, it isn't just Democrats who think he is the worst. Historians of all stripes have looked at his term and ranked it near the bottom. While I wouldn't say it was a total failure, Trump did not accomplish the vast majority of what he ran on. He didn't repeal the ACA and replace it. He didn't build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. He didn't ban muslims from coming to the US. He didn't fix the border. He couldn't even do infrastructure. And then you throw in the pandemic....That was an unmitigated disaster. Finally...knowing he lost the election but refusing to concede, sparking an insurrection and breaking nearly 250 years of tradition with a peaceful transfer of power. The man is only in it for himself, but his cult is too blind to see it.
 

silentkisser

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Be more specific. Manufacturing jobs took a massive hit during Covid (during the Trump presidency) because of lockdown and other disruptive measures taken by States (the most onerous measures being enacted by blue states). Biden has an annoying habit of falsely claiming that people returning to work following the termination of the measures (usually due to pressure created by red states getting back to work more quickly and comprehensively) are "job gains". The proper comparison would be to pre-Covid job numbers.
You would be amazed what you can find using Google. Here is a good one that takes the pandemic into consideration:

Trump loved to talk about Foxconn coming to Wisconsin....but like most things in the Trump-verse...nothing happened. Biden has seen a surge of construction on new manufacturing plants (which, in turn, means jobs). Look at what his CHIPS act has done, and the fact that a bunch of companies are "re-shoring" workers in the US.

As for Biden falsely saying anything about jobs....Keep in mind the US lost just under 3m jobs due to the pandemic. The US economy added nearly 16m over the past four years. So, stripping out the pandemic bounce-back, that still is more than double what Trump was able to do....I know that doesn't fit your narrative, but facts are facts...
 
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