LCBO Store Employees On Strike!

[Frankfooter]

Really?
Can you name another province that is building/upgrading more hospitals than Ontario?
6/10 best hospitals in Canada are in Ontario.

Ontario is doing fine and Ontarians are the healthiest people in Canada compared to other provinces (as is B.C.).

Ontario spends more on healthcare than any previous provincial government. Your narrative is stupid.

75% of hospitals in deficit.
17 hr wait at most ER's.
Family doctors leaving the business all across the province.
Nurses left after Bill 124 and most new nurses are now Filipino.
Hospitals closed.

Nobody in their right mind thinks health care has gotten better in Ontario under DoFo.
Your claims are idiotic, of course healthcare spending always goes up, but did it go up as much as inflation even and did it get better?
Nope.

 

[Frankfooter]

CBC has a great story detailing how and where the LCBO makes money.
DoFo's plan will cost the province billions and that cash will go in the pockets of billionaire donors instead.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/lcbo-ontario-government-revenue-explained-1.7260107

 

[Skoob]

Explain how this massive funding by DoFo has lead to so many hospitals going bankrupt.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1810642422331757030

Maybe the hospitals should look inward and see how they're wasting money rather than always crying poor and asking for more...
Here's just one example...can you imagine how prevalent this type of thing is?
Lots of fat can be trimmed for sure.


CEO recently replaced
The hospital system has been through a turbulent time recently.

Former president Paul Woods was fired after it was revealed he travelled during the pandemic when restrictions were in place. More recent president Jackie Schleifer Taylor went on medical leave days after media reports about $500,000 spent on professional development trips to the Middle East, Portugal and Australia. Schleifer Taylor made almost $804,000 in 2023.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/lond...t-programs-and-management-structure-1.7247290

 

[Skoob]

75% of hospitals in deficit.
17 hr wait at most ER's.
Family doctors leaving the business all across the province.
Nurses left after Bill 124 and most new nurses are now Filipino.
Hospitals closed.

Nobody in their right mind thinks health care has gotten better in Ontario under DoFo.
Your claims are idiotic, of course healthcare spending always goes up, but did it go up as much as inflation even and did it get better?
Nope.

Hospitals are always in deficit...nothing new there.
What do you have against Filipino nurses?

The only hospitals that have permanently closed are ones being consolidated and replaced with newer ones. You're spreading misinformation again.

 

[Skoob]

CBC has a great story detailing how and where the LCBO makes money.
DoFo's plan will cost the province billions and that cash will go in the pockets of billionaire donors instead.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/lcbo-ontario-government-revenue-explained-1.7260107

Hmmmm...just imagine if the government didn't have to incur the expense of operating retail stores and paying union employees and a ton of sunshine-list administrative staff...
Now increase the private retail stores by 3x the number of LCBO retail stores we have now.

More money to be made than now.

The article leaves out an important variable: the costs of the LCBO running retail and all the expenses associated with that. No mention of offsets.

 

[Frankfooter]

Hmmmm...just imagine if the government didn't have to incur the expense of operating retail stores and paying union employees and a ton of sunshine-list administrative staff...
Now increase the private retail stores by 3x the number of LCBO retail stores we have now.

More money to be made than now.

The article leaves out an important variable: the costs of the LCBO running retail and all the expenses associated with that. No mention of offsets.

Wow, you are a total idiot.
Read the story so you at least understand the argument.
3x the retail stores means only 3x the costs for the businesses and less profit for them, none of which Ontario would see regardless.

Privatizing the LCBO will mean massive lost revenue to Ontario that could be going to hospitals and schools.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Hmmmm...just imagine if the government didn't have to incur the expense of operating retail stores and paying union employees and a ton of sunshine-list administrative staff...
Now increase the private retail stores by 3x the number of LCBO retail stores we have now.

More money to be made than now.

The article leaves out an important variable: the costs of the LCBO running retail and all the expenses associated with that. No mention of offsets.

Wow do I actually agree with you on something ?

 

[Skoob]

Wow do I actually agree with you on something ?

Thank you.
I'm not a monster. (most of the time)

 

[Skoob]

Wow, you are a total idiot.
Read the story so you at least understand the argument.
3x the retail stores means only 3x the costs for the businesses and less profit for them, none of which Ontario would see regardless.

Privatizing the LCBO will mean massive lost revenue to Ontario that could be going to hospitals and schools.

Nope. The only idiot here is you.
More private stores, more sales.
Less LCBO overhead, more profits.

You need to go back to high school economics.

 

[shack]

75% of hospitals in deficit.
17 hr wait at most ER's.
Family doctors leaving the business all across the province.
Nurses left after Bill 124 and most new nurses are now Filipino.
Hospitals closed.

Filipino nurses are in your list of bad things that Ford has done to Ontario health? Why do you feel that they are inferior?

Pretty damn racist Geno.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Nope. The only idiot here is you.
More private stores, more sales.
Less LCBO overhead, more profits.

You need to go back to high school economics

I cant read his posts, but a few years ago he actually made the the argument that very high taxes would eliminate poverty.
I think he said the same thing about global warming too, that high taxes would help cool down earth

 

[Skoob]

I cant read his posts, but a few years ago he actually made the the argument that very high taxes would eliminate poverty.
I think he said the same thing about global warming too, that high taxes would help cool down earth

He's all about benefitting from other people's money.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

I have long thought it to be idiotic to have all these government run specialized stores. Why do we need a separate beer store, liquor store and now not government run but separate pot store when they can all be run from a variety store? There should be a couple LCBO just for selection or people can order online and also there needs to be a way to supply bars and restaurants so there will still be some overhead and administrative costs, but the cost of owning or leasing so many buildings and staffing them is absurd.

 

[Skoob]

I have long thought it to be idiotic to have all these government run specialized stores. Why do we need a separate beer store, liquor store and now not government run but separate pot store when they can all be run from a variety store? There should be a couple LCBO just for selection or people can order online and also there needs to be a way to supply bars and restaurants so there will still be some overhead and administrative costs, but the cost of owning or leasing so many buildings and staffing them is absurd.

It all comes down to how much government control in your everyday life is acceptable to you.

i.e. you can have a beer on a patio on a public street. But you can't have a beer on the other side of that patio railing on a public street.

Does that level of government control make someone feel better?

 

[Frankfooter]

Nope. The only idiot here is you.
More private stores, more sales.
Less LCBO overhead, more profits.

You need to go back to high school economics.

No, skoob.
Why do right wingers always have zero business sense?

The LCBO makes most of its money from retail sales profit.
That is what DoFo is giving to his billionaire buddies.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1811333047343513935

 

[Skoob]

No, skoob.
Why do right wingers always have zero business sense?

The LCBO makes most of its money from retail sales profit.
That is what DoFo is giving to his billionaire buddies.

Are you crying that the sky is falling because they want to allow private retailers to sell pre-mixed cocktails?
You think every corner store owner is a "buddy"?

Unfortunately that's all they're doing. I would prefer them scrap the LCBO retail stores altogether. But the model they're following is more like BC.

You think that tripling the number of private retail stores will actually bring in less money and be less convenient?

You think the government has brought in less money since beer/wine started being sold in supermarkets in 2016?

As far as money coming back to the government per capita, Alberta is more successful than Ontario with their mostly privatized system. That blows your theory out of the water as a real-world example.

 

[jalimon]

Is there another place where I can buy great tequilas in Ottawa? My collection is getting low… 🥲🥲🥲

Cross the bridge to Gatineau. That`s the beauty in Ottawa since SAQ in Quebec remains open they simply need a 10 drive. Even go by bicycle Gatineau is full of great bicycle path everywhere!

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I have long thought it to be idiotic to have all these government run specialized stores. Why do we need a separate beer store, liquor store and now not government run but separate pot store when they can all be run from a variety store? There should be a couple LCBO just for selection or people can order online and also there needs to be a way to supply bars and restaurants so there will still be some overhead and administrative costs, but the cost of owning or leasing so many buildings and staffing them is absurd

The LCBO is a monopoly, and they don't want to lose that.

Check-out employees at LCBO stores start at $28 an hour salary, and that's just for scanning a few bottles through the cash register which anyone can do.

If I were Doug Ford I would use this strike as an opportunity to privatize all liquor sales in Ontario

 

[Butler1000]

Just for clarity. The LCBO already has privatization. Go to many small towns and you find licensed private distributors. Who do you think gets the profit?

Really most of the money to govt comes from the taxes anyway. Now I actually like the LCBO. Being the largest buyer in the world does mean the ability to have great variety. At a local level and not just a few superstore like in the USA. Its also good for quality control, distribution to businesses(no bathtub gin) and yes generates money.

But the argument for corner stores is really this. If some one is stocking up for a business, a party, a weekend away at the cottage, gifts for workplace, etc they can go the LCBO for volume, variety, and in fact convenience. It would be my go to for that.

But if I'm heading to the park, am walking home with take out, heading down on TTC for an event, at said street event like the Jazz fest, a foodie thing, then being able to grab a margarita, a ceaser, or a single king can in the moment also makes sense. And that is where the majority of business will come from. Sure a few late nights drunks will partake. But not to the level the doom and gloom will claim.

We are adults. If you can walk down the street smoking a joint and buy at that convenience level then you can do the same with alcohol. It's just common sense.

License the sellers, let them pay a premium to sell. Mark up get passed to the consumer, money still goes in govt coffers.

 

[Skoob]

Just for clarity. The LCBO already has privatization. Go to many small towns and you find licensed private distributors. Who do you think gets the profit?

Really most of the money to govt comes from the taxes anyway. Now I actually like the LCBO. Being the largest buyer in the world does mean the ability to have great variety. At a local level and not just a few superstore like in the USA. Its also good for quality control, distribution to businesses(no bathtub gin) and yes generates money.

But the argument for corner stores is really this. If some one is stocking up for a business, a party, a weekend away at the cottage, gifts for workplace, etc they can go the LCBO for volume, variety, and in fact convenience. It would be my go to for that.

But if I'm heading to the park, am walking home with take out, heading down on TTC for an event, at said street event like the Jazz fest, a foodie thing, then being able to grab a margarita, a ceaser, or a single king can in the moment also makes sense. And that is where the majority of business will come from. Sure a few late nights drunks will partake. But not to the level the doom and gloom will claim.

We are adults. If you can walk down the street smoking a joint and buy at that convenience level then you can do the same with alcohol. It's just common sense.

License the sellers, let them pay a premium to sell. Mark up get passed to the consumer, money still goes in govt coffers.

Strangely, while the LCBO is the largest buyer, their variety in most stores sucks.
I've seen better variety in private stores in Alberta and in Europe. And I'm not talking about super store type places...just regular convenience/grocery type stores.
The LCBO stores largely stock mainstream/name brand products these days. Of course you can place a special order for these but that negates the retail stores and I believe there is a minimum quantity on special orders.