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The dementia debates

dirtydaveiii

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We already know what each opponent is going to say and we already know that Fox will anoint Trump the winner even if he pulls a Mitch McConnell and stares blankly into space for several minutes before he shits his pants and mutters something about wtiches and rigs. Joe will be prepared and MAGA will accuse him of taking magic beans to be so coherent so trunp wins because Biden cheated just like their lying about losing the popular vote in 2016 and the general election and popular vote in 2020. There was some muttering of cheating in the 2022 mod terms also. What is concerning for MAGA is Trumps mental acumen has gone considerably downhill since 2015 and he is very confused about what happened in the last several years : https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...y-foggy-says-author-ramin-setoodeh-rcna158219
 

kherg007

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I believe the USA has a minimum age requirement for running for prez. You'd think they would have a max to.
Both these guys are past their expiration date.
It's 35 minimum. I agree pop in a max - like must be 75 or younger on inauguration day.
I think minimum ages for Supreme Court justices - 55, with 18 year terms.
 

kherg007

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75 is too old. 60 should be max. By 65 no one should be in politics anymore and this should include senators and house reps.
I think some good functioning folks at the top of their game early 70s. And they have a calmness that one can only get with experience. I'd be willing to negotiate the max down a few years, but not many. Maybe 72. Of course the issue is these folks are voted in so the public can always vote out those mummies like Strom Thurmond or Grassley or Feinstein but alas they don't. Senators are one of 100, so happy to allow whatever. A president is 1 of 1.
 

Valcazar

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What is concerning for MAGA is Trumps mental acumen has gone considerably downhill since 2015 and he is very confused about what happened in the last several years :
I originally thought Trump would dodge the debates because without a crowd and with the microphone out of his control, he wouldn't want to risk looking as demented as he is.

But now I think he will go because there is almost no downside for him.

He can blame any performance issues on the unfair moderators and rules.
He is used to the "just the interviewer" format, so he does have a skill set for that even without the audience.
He knows there won't be live fact checking. (That seems to be confirmed.)

So he feels he can steer the way he wants, bullshit constantly, and generate sound bites.
The media will support him as usual, putting a floor under him and insisting he did well, while going after anything from Biden - even a pause - as proof of Biden's weakness.

So while I originally thought that if Biden decided he had to debate, this was the right way to limit the damage Trump can do, I now think it will be pretty solidly spun as a "Trump win" unless Trump basically has a stroke on stage.
 

Valcazar

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It's 35 minimum. I agree pop in a max - like must be 75 or younger on inauguration day.
I think minimum ages for Supreme Court justices - 55, with 18 year terms.
If you have fixed terms for Supreme Court justices, I don't think you need a minimum.

I would still want the Court expanded to one justice per circuit (But 12, I'd leave Fed out of it) and have 24 year terms.
18 year terms are fine if you can't get the court up to 12.
The point would be that a President appoints a new Justice in year 1 and year 3 of their term.
 

Valcazar

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I think some good functioning folks at the top of their game early 70s. And they have a calmness that one can only get with experience. I'd be willing to negotiate the max down a few years, but not many. Maybe 72. Of course the issue is these folks are voted in so the public can always vote out those mummies like Strom Thurmond or Grassley or Feinstein but alas they don't. Senators are one of 100, so happy to allow whatever. A president is 1 of 1.
I wouldn't object TOO much to 72.
I kind of like 75 because it would be 40 years after the minimum age.
You could do them all that way. Some significant value above the minimum age. 40-50 years or something.
 

Valcazar

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Yes to 60, no to getting rid of “natural born” requirement.
I would be ok with getting rid of natural born so long as the "years as citizen" was long and you had to have some kind of length of time as a permanent resident.
 

Valcazar

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Usually naturalized citizens like me aren't going to run for office, because when you naturalize as an adult, you are far too removed from the intricacies of establishment culture.

The naturalized citizens who would want to run, are usually ones that came here as kids. Like Cenk for example, who came here when he was 8 years old, but cannot run because of this requirement. I mean he is as American as they come and the guy is far more knowledgeable politically than many natural born citizens and yet he cannot run because of a technicality in the law.
Late naturalized citizens are far more unlikely, I agree.
But "removed from the intricacies of establishment culture" isn't a function of being born here. A foreign businessman of a major multinational would have no trouble on that front.

But yes, Cenk should be rejected from the Presidency because he is an buffoon that people wouldn't vote for (like what happened when he ran for Congress) - not because he happened to only come here when he was 8.
 

NotADcotor

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If the mooks want to elect someone who has full on dementia or straight up walks around with a peanut on their dick [fucking nuts] well that's democracy.

I mean I keep going on about how supreme executive power should be based on a farcical aquatic ceremony and not some silly mandate from the masses but nobody seems to care.

Also age =/= demented, I mean there is a correlation but it is far from 1 to 1. We would never accept such stereotyping in any other field.
 
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