Biden Will Drop Out Of 2024 Race—And This Is What May Happen Next: Steve Forbes

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They released the transcripts. You can read them. And why should they release the tapes? So Fox and the GOP can take snippets out of context to weaponize them? And Trump talks a lot about executive privilege. There are likely many reasons why they did not release the tapes, and I'm probably only scratching the surface.
This would seem to be outside your bailiwick and mine. I'm not sure the Justice Dept. has any reason to hold on to the tapes.

I'm guessing someone close to the situation told House Republicans the unscripted President Biden comes off very poorly on the tapes. The transcripts likely cleaned it up.

Most likely it won't change the course of the election.
 
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Having said all that, Kamala is not hurting the ticket. That's all pundit talk that social media feeds on.
Going to respectively disagree with you on this one...My take is that if they're not replacing Biden they should at least replace her. If Biden wins and I figure he just might...He's not lasting his term. The thought of her being the president of the strongest nation on the Earth is frightening. Voters have to take that into serious consideration.
 
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Going to respectively disagree with you on this one...My take is that if they're not replacing Biden they should at least replace her. If Biden wins and I figure he just might...He's not lasting his term. The thought of her being the president of the strongest nation on the Earth is frightening. Voters have to take that into serious consideration.
Can't be worse than a convicted felon rapist with no political experience
 

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Can't be worse than a convicted felon rapist with no political experience
You forgot to add wealthy businessman. That frosts the ass of progressives perhaps more than anything.
 

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Going to respectively disagree with you on this one...My take is that if they're not replacing Biden they should at least replace her. If Biden wins and I figure he just might...He's not lasting his term. The thought of her being the president of the strongest nation on the Earth is frightening. Voters have to take that into serious consideration.
It's hard to gauge Kamala's impact on the ticket. I think it's a fair statement to say that the Administration is run by committee more so than usual. I believe a previous post tries to say that Biden doesn't manage the WH he leads it. These are all subjective observations.

I will note at the end of Reagan's second term the media was very critical of the idea that a committee surrounding an aging President was running things. So we have that precedent to demonstrate the questions of age are not unfair and unique to Biden.

So back to Kamala, if voters accept the Biden Administration's committee system will they accept and presume this committee system under a President Kamala? Again, very hard to gauge.
 
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It's hard to gauge Kamala's impact on the ticket. I think it's a fair statement to say that the Administration is run by committee more so than usual. I believe a previous post tries to say that Biden doesn't manage the WH he leads it. These are all subjective observations.

I will note at the end of Reagan's second term the media was very critical of the idea that a committee surrounding an aging President was running things. So we have that precedent to demonstrate the questions of age are not unfair and unique to Biden.

So back to Kamala, if voters accept the Biden Administration's committee system will they accept and presume this committee system under a President Kamala? Again, very hard gauge.
The three major issues will be the economy(looking like another real estate crash is coming, just a matter of timing) immigration (bigger than the press is reporting) and funding foreign wars.

Right now polling has this one as a 50/50 either way. So it could come down to under hundred thousand votes in a swing state to decide this.

Biden age and who replaces him suddenly could be a factor.
 

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The three major issues will be the economy(looking like another real estate crash is coming, just a matter of timing) immigration (bigger than the press is reporting) and funding foreign wars.

Right now polling has this one as a 50/50 either way. So it could come down to under hundred thousand votes in a swing state to decide this.

Biden age and who replaces him suddenly could be a factor.
You might be saying what some people are saying. Americans generally are not comfortable with his Administration's policies and at his age Biden is not able to sell and persuade the public. This is where the "committee" governance becomes an issue. A Western democracy needs a leader who is out front telling the people this is where I am taking us.

Would Kamala Harris do a better job? Maybe not, but Biden is the one on top of the ticket. Would she be a worse at selling the agenda? Neh, I don't think so.

Did I mention that Trump is a convicted felon and rapist? ;)
 
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The three major issues will be the economy(looking like another real estate crash is coming, just a matter of timing..........
I wanted to separately address real estate. Unlike 2008, the issue is that the supply of houses has not kept up with population growth. Actually, you can point to the 2008-2010 real estate crisis for this lack of supply as homebuilders pulled back or disappeared.

There is always a lot churning under the surface in real estate. Baby boomers should downsize, but aren't. The Fed fighting inflation is keeping mortgage rates high. Young people can't afford housing. All these issues will transmit into the market, but probably very slowly.

Meanwhile, you always have three forces under sail for U.S. real estate.

1) We have 3% inflation (not to mention recent high inflation) and Fed tries to operate with 2% inflation. Compounded inflation is an underpinning for all types of assets.
2) Government tax policy still favors real estate with the mortgage interest deduction. The cap looks like it might be raised at some point soon.
3) Americans for whatever reason love big houses. The older they get the more they generally reject apartment and condo living. There are exceptions to be sure, but this seems to be a consistent cultural phenomenon. It could always reverse, but not seeing it.

There are always cyclical forces that are transitory in nature. I could paint a picture where real estate has a decline this year and part of next. However, when the Fed reduces rates and the economy begins to recover (it' slowing down) real estate will also recover.
 

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Lol. Cheney wasn't vilified? Dan Quayle not mocked? How about Mike Pence?

She has been, by all accounts, quite incompetent, and disliked within the White House. Pretty much foisted on Biden. Her accomplishments are zero. But go ahead and play the victim cards. That will sell well with the voters.
Tell me how she's a failure? And, please, let me know what accomplishments other VPs did? Pence only kissed Trump's ass and Cheney basically operated like the President, having more sway than any other VP (so I think that's fair game for criticism). And, you never heard shit about Al Gore or Biden when they were VPs. Dan Quayle...well, he got slammed for spelling, and that whole Murphy Brown faux pas about single mothers....

The point here is that Harris hasn't said anything stupid in the press like Quayle, nor has she overstepped her mandate like Cheney. But it seems the right are laser focused on her. At the very least, they are trying to discredit her through innuendo, saying she's unliked or incompetent....but only having anonymous sources or having no evidence. Now, I'm not saying she is the greatest politician or would be a great president....but again, I think the scrutiny she faces is mostly unprecedented outside of Cheney....and again, because his role in the executive branch was much larger than any other VP.
 

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Tell me how she's a failure? And, please, let me know what accomplishments other VPs did? Pence only kissed Trump's ass and Cheney basically operated like the President, having more sway than any other VP (so I think that's fair game for criticism). And, you never heard shit about Al Gore or Biden when they were VPs. Dan Quayle...well, he got slammed for spelling, and that whole Murphy Brown faux pas about single mothers....

The point here is that Harris hasn't said anything stupid in the press like Quayle, nor has she overstepped her mandate like Cheney. But it seems the right are laser focused on her. At the very least, they are trying to discredit her through innuendo, saying she's unliked or incompetent....but only having anonymous sources or having no evidence. Now, I'm not saying she is the greatest politician or would be a great president....but again, I think the scrutiny she faces is mostly unprecedented outside of Cheney....and again, because his role in the executive branch was much larger than any other VP.
she giggles when she is nervous - thats way worse than committing 91 felonies and rape by far
 
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Certainly, you must understand that an 82 year old dying in the next four years is a much higher probability than a 78 year old. Dude, why must you throw spaghetti to try to find a point that sticks?

You might not like Trump's politics and also his demeanor, but voters can gauge who seems to have vitality and stamina.
OK, so you're telling me that Trump is firing on all cylinders? Sure as fuck doesn't seem like it. He constantly makes gaffes and mistakes in his speeches, but his enablers and the right-wing media down play it as jokes or that he did it on purpose. Plus, the right LOVES to use doctored or out of context video of Biden to make him look infirm or slow. I guess we'll see who has vitality, stamina and competence at the debate...

I don't hear anything that resembles racism or misogyny directed at Kamala Harris. I don't think she exhibited gravitas early in the Administration, but she has improved. She will have plenty of chances to represent the Administration at the VP debate, the convention and a multitude of appearances. Unfortunately, given how President Biden is handled you will see Kamala and Jill Biden more than Joe.

Having said all that, Kamala is not hurting the ticket. That's all pundit talk that social media feeds on.
I'll just say that there is a lot of misogyny in US politics. She's the first female VP, and it seems like there is a massive amount of scrutiny on the VP. As I mentioned in another post, no other VP has faced this type of scrutiny outside of Dick Cheney....and Cheney only because his role in the Bush White House was significantly larger than any other VP in US history. Bush basically offloaded some of his duties/decisions to Dick...
 
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This would seem to be outside your bailiwick and mine. I'm not sure the Justice Dept. has any reason to hold on to the tapes.

I'm guessing someone close to the situation told House Republicans the unscripted President Biden comes off very poorly on the tapes. The transcripts likely cleaned it up.

Most likely it won't change the course of the election.
You could be right. I won't speculate. But, at the same time....are the recordings necessary? Trump didn't allow the release of his depositions from the Mueller report, which seems like a much bigger issue....
 

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You could be right. I won't speculate. But, at the same time....are the recordings necessary? Trump didn't allow the release of his depositions from the Mueller report, which seems like a much bigger issue....
the GOP just wants it to make Biden look bad. They know their only chance at winning is if Donnie doesnt look as bad as Biden so they are desperately trying to find something
 
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I accepted that Trump won his Presidency fair and square (to my knowledge).
You are being very charitable.
To my knowledge, Russia has illegally helped him
and no one can say whether he would have won it without that help.
 
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