50 Completely true things - a worthwhile commentary on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict

Klatuu

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The trained seals follow the script religiously.

Please provide the sources that are reporting all of these headlines. I see the 1st one is from I'll Jizz On Ya and it has been proven that there has been no carpet bombing.

All of these headlines are as honest as trump on his own website.
 

shack

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Yup, when you deny the very obvious genocide, oppression and apartheid of the Palestinian people by Israel,
And the UN agrees with me.

No resolutions of genocide or apartheid have been passed regarding this current conflict as was done with resolution 1761 in 1962 regarding S. Africa and its' practice of apartheid.

That's a huge gap of UN inconsistency. It only proves that you are guilty of hate speech. How does it feel to break the law?
 

Frankfooter

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And the UN agrees with me.

No resolutions of genocide or apartheid have been passed regarding this current conflict as was done with resolution 1761 in 1962 regarding S. Africa and its' practice of apartheid.

That's a huge gap of UN inconsistency. It only proves that you are guilty of hate speech. How does it feel to break the law?
You have painted yourself into a tiny square, hammy.
Your denial gets more and more shrill every day.
'but it only counts if Biden says it' will be next.

 

basketcase

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What fatuous drivel. It’s just another history started on Oct 7 piece of hasbara.
So the Palestinian American from the family of the former Mufti who authored the piece is a secret Israeli agent? Fuck you guys are pathetic.
 

basketcase

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32 - attempts to blame the strife on Hamas instead of the occupation and lead up to Oct 7.
33 - belittles genocide, calling it 'not the smartest thing'.
Yes. Thankfully Palestinians like the author have you to tell them what they should feel.

All you are doing is making excuses for continuing war and violence.
 

basketcase

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The central idea of this post looks like its an attempt by basketcase to moderate his long held positions on this board....
Sadly you're so deep into your us vs them zealotry that you can't read any arguments against your views without accusing people of being racists committing genocide.

People like you are one of the world's greatest problems. You're happy keeping your maximalist positions, ignoring that the people actually impacted on a daily basis want to move forward. Your posts in this thread are no different than discussions of Olmert's 2008 offer. You were too busy whining about why the offer wasn't the Palestinian's ideal to understand that it was a way to move towards peace rather than just digging in and hoping Israel will somehow be destroyed. I understand hardline Palestinians either then or now demanding Israel be eliminated but it's a whole different thing when some random Canadian tells us that negotiations are a bad thing.



FACT No. 48.
If you just want to advocate for peace, try to be a voice for reason, and don’t inflame or over-simplify an already chaotic, complicated, and deeply emotional issue. Help people find common ground and help bring the temperature down. You can be moral and stand up for what you believe in without being an asshole.
 
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basketcase

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If you think this post from basketcase was honest, ask him how he reconciles backing these 'facts' with #43 and #44, which state that you can't bomb your way to peace.
I agree with them completely. The problem is you've never actually read what I post. Instead just invent your own reality and fake quotes from me.

43 also applies to Hamas but you've spend decades justifying their attacks anyways (like when you just blamed Israel for Oct 7).
 
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basketcase

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Its time for a news break.
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Which means you know you can't morally argue against what the guy said and are desperate to change the topic (not that morals are anywhere near as important to you than whether 'your side' looks good.
 

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Agreed. Farming policies in India have nothing to do with Canada.

Then why come here? Leave your grievances back there, as I have. I would say the same if Irish immigrants were agitating for the IRA.
I thought Canadians had the freedom to have their own opinions, whether on local or international issues. Plenty of white Christians from long-standing Canadian families who carry their ethnic or religious hatreds so it would be unreasonable to deny that freedom to more recent immigrants. Hell, there are still some people of Hurons descent who hold a grudge against the Iroquois and the Haudenosaunee Confederacy.
 

basketcase

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...The UN special rapporteur...
Is not the voice of the UN and her statements have not been adopted.

More significantly, She was hired by an alleged Human Rights council full of massive human rights violators and has made public statements about the "Jewish Lobby subjugated America" before getting hired. Hardly an impartial perspective.
 

basketcase

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And she is objectively right. The Israeli lobby does control the US, writes legislation for the US, and bankrolls several US senators and representatives to the House, who then dance to the tune of their demands. So if anything, her views were highly objective and relevant and only such a person could produce an objective report, such as the one she did.
Than you for admitting your belief in old-school antisemitic conspiracy theories.

I know you won't read this but your racism is in claiming it is the Jewish Lobby, not the pro-Israel lobby. What makes this even more disgusting is you have posted many times that Jews aren't necessarily Zionists. Makes it quite clear you were lying when you claimed you see a difference between Jews and Israelis.

If you wanted to argue the pro-Israel lobby has too much influence, we can have a conversation but you don't want that and have outed yourself as a Jew hater.
 

Frankfooter

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Yes. Thankfully Palestinians like the author have me to tell them what they should feel.

All you are doing is arguing for the end of the genocide.
Fixed your post for accuracy.
'Facts' #43 and 44 say you can't bomb your way to peace.

Do you really back those points you posted?
How can you back them and still back the genocide?
 

Frankfooter

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Sadly you're so deep into your us vs them zealotry that you can't read any arguments against your views without accusing people of being racists committing genocide.

People like you are one of the world's greatest problems. You're happy keeping your maximalist positions, ignoring that the people actually impacted on a daily basis want to move forward. Your posts in this thread are no different than discussions of Olmert's 2008 offer. You were too busy whining about why the offer wasn't the Palestinian's ideal to understand that it was a way to move towards peace rather than just digging in and hoping Israel will somehow be destroyed. I understand hardline Palestinians either then or now demanding Israel be eliminated but it's a whole different thing when some random Canadian tells us that negotiations are a bad thing.



FACT No. 48.
If you just want to advocate for peace, try to be a voice for reason, and don’t inflame or over-simplify an already chaotic, complicated, and deeply emotional issue. Help people find common ground and help bring the temperature down. You can be moral and stand up for what you believe in without being an asshole.
So what is your common ground?
Declaring that Israel has to kill everyone associated with Hamas?

How have you every advocated for peace, you are against Palestinian rights and against all movements towards peace.
 

Frankfooter

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Is not the voice of the UN and her statements have not been adopted.

More significantly, She was hired by an alleged Human Rights council full of massive human rights violators and has made public statements about the "Jewish Lobby subjugated America" before getting hired. Hardly an impartial perspective.
She has said no more than Netanyahu has bragged about, basketcase.
That the Israel lobby, AIPAC, as too much influence in US politics.
All you are doing is crying wolf.
 

Frankfooter

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Than you for admitting your belief in old-school antisemitic conspiracy theories.

I know you won't read this but your racism is in claiming it is the Jewish Lobby, not the pro-Israel lobby. What makes this even more disgusting is you have posted many times that Jews aren't necessarily Zionists. Makes it quite clear you were lying when you claimed you see a difference between Jews and Israelis.

If you wanted to argue the pro-Israel lobby has too much influence, we can have a conversation but you don't want that and have outed yourself as a Jew hater.
You are intentionally misquoting people, basketcase, to slander them with accusations of antisemitism.
Kautilya has never said used the words 'Jewish lobby', that is you lying.
 
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