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Actually he is a very, very intelligent man.

Once again, your favourite tactic when you are unable debate a point because the facts are against you is to declare "those fact are irrelevant" or "that's not what's important", "that should be disregarded". You have to admit that you've predictably used this tactic of dismissing things out of hand dozens of times.

Instead of trying to be dismissive of what he says and shooting the messenger, try using facts to disprove his message. It would be much more effective He coolly and calmly completely counters every lie his opponent tries to get away with. His debaters invariably are reduced to having to use ad hominem attacks. The best was when he totally embarrassed the raging lunatic Cenk Uygur. Cenk's veins were popping and his eyes bulging as he got more and more frustrated calling Murray a racist while the relaxed Murray just sat back and took notes.

A very, very smart man indeed. Disregarding what he has to say is simply burying one's head in the sand and admitting defeat.
Yes, he is a very very intelligent racist and far right Islamophobe, with an agenda. Racists and Islamophobes should be disregarded.
 
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The thing is it is not about killing Hamas. That is the narrative they use. But in reality they consider ALL Palestinians as not just Hamas, but as enemies.

It is basically collective punishment. The Israeli mentality is that if you kill 1 of us, we will kill 20 or 30 of yours, destroy your houses, schools, hospitals, places of worship, stop aid, cut off food, water and electricity, and destroy you. Make no mistake, this sort of treatment of people is only possible, when you consider the Palestinians sub-human. I have many Israeli friends who are otherwise very good people. But when it comes to the Palestinians, I have heard all kinds of dehumanizing bullshit. I particularly remember one of them saying that he had a solution for the issue with Gaza and when I probed further, just said - "Nuke them". I brushed it off as hyperbole back then (this was back in 2006), but after I started educating myself about the conflict more and more, I have come to realize that this is the Israeli mentality.

Here is Rami Igra former Mossad chief on Anderson Cooper:


Then Israeli president Isaac Herzog:

Saying Israeli mentality is like that sounds racist....we should disregard any post you make....if we follow your logic....
 

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Saying Israeli mentality is like that sounds racist....we should disregard any post you make....if we follow your logic....
Israel is a multi-racial state. I am talking about the populace of a diverse Israel and its societal values, so it is clearly not about race. But okay. Take it from Gideon Levy, an Israeli instead:

 
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It's sickening indeed.

I'm vascillating.. a pox on both their houses?
If you were Palestinian and grew up living under a 75 year occupation, watching Israel take your land and kill your friends, what would you do?
So before you condemn Palestinians let us know what they should have done differently.

Palestinians have tried everything.
Armed resistance
Terrorism
Suicide bombers
20 years of Oslo peace talks
Going to the ICC
Going to the ICJ
Going to the UN
BDS
Peaceful protests

In 2014 the people of Gaza marched to the prison walls in a protest know as the Great March of Return. For almost an entire year Palestinians protested by the borders and every Friday for almost a full year Israel shot them with snipers.

Here's what Israel accomplished over that year of protests.




 

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Saying Israeli mentality is like that sounds racist....we should disregard any post you make....if we follow your logic....
The charges of genocide that South Africa brought to the ICJ contained page after page of genocidal quotes from Israeli leaders.
Do you think its racist to quote them and hold them to their word?

Or are you just understanding that zionism is in fact, an incredibly racist and genocidal movement?

Here's what Colombia added a few weeks ago.
 
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Yes, he is a very very intelligent racist and far right Islamophobe, with an agenda. Racists and Islamophobes should be disregarded.
Exactly as I predicted. You cannot counter his points. All you have are ad hominem attacks.
 
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Exactly as I predicted. You cannot counter his points. All you have are ad hominem attacks.
Facts aren't ad hominems. They are not even my characterizations as I quoted. Saying one needs to debate Murray is like saying one needs to debate Goebbels on the issue of Jews.
 
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Exactly as I predicted. You cannot counter his points. All you have are ad hominem attacks.
The claims he made were dealt with here.

Israel has never provided any evidence of wrongdoing by the UNRWA and only used the attack on them as a tool for genocide, to prevent aid reaching Palestinians.




 

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Israel is a multi-racial state. I am talking about the populace of a diverse Israel and its societal values, so it is clearly not about race. But okay. Take it from Gideon Levy, an Israeli instead:

Nah, you just said Israeli mentailty...that's painting every Israeli have the same mentality...it's like saying Mexicans are like this, Jamaican's are like that...does that sound right to you? You chant "racism" in every topic but your posts just shows what a "closet" racist looks like... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

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Nah, you just said Israeli mentailty...that's painting every Israeli have the same mentality...it's like saying Mexicans are like this, Jamaican's are like that...does that sound right to you? You chant "racism" in every topic but your posts just shows what a "closet" racist looks like... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Isn't that how you justify killing 70% women and children in Gaza, rich?
That you think they are all Hamas, so you think they all should die?

You really want that imported to the US?


 

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Isn't that how you justify killing 70% women and children in Gaza, rich?
That you think they are all Hamas, so you think they all should die?

You really want that imported to the US?


What the fuck are you even talking about franky? Nobody says all Palestinians are Hamas in fact YOU are the one who's dreaming we all think like that....except we don't. Once again, go back to school...your ramblings here gets dumber by the day....
 

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What the fuck are you even talking about franky? Nobody says all Palestinians are Hamas in fact YOU are the one who's dreaming we all think like that....except we don't. Once again, go back to school...your ramblings here gets dumber by the day....
Every single zionist on this board refuses to say its wrong to kill 20,000 women and children, using 2,000 lb bombs, starvation and disease.
Every single one of you justify this by saying all of Gaza are Hamas.

Not one of you has said its wrong for Israel to kill women and children.
Not one.

The only conclusion is that all of you think that all Palestinians are Hamas.

 
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Every single zionist on this board refuses to say its wrong to kill 20,000 women and children, using 2,000 lb bombs, starvation and disease.
Every single one of you justify this by saying all of Gaza are Hamas.

Not one of you has said its wrong for Israel to kill women and children.
Not one.

The only conclusion is that all of you think that all Palestinians are Hamas.

First off, I'm not a zionist.
Secondly, Hamas waged war, when you waged war, there will be casualties, Hamas failed to evacuate Palestinians, they left them there to die....
Israel managed to keep the death toll low despite your over dramatic whining.... If Israel wanted to kill a lot more Palestinians, they have all the arms to do it, but they didn't...
Keep crying...
 

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Nah, you just said Israeli mentailty...that's painting every Israeli have the same mentality...it's like saying Mexicans are like this, Jamaican's are like that...does that sound right to you? You chant "racism" in every topic but your posts just shows what a "closet" racist looks like... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
You are talking about stereotyping. Stereotyping applies to individuals, not nations. If you take a cultural issue from a country - say racism in the US and apply to a random American and call him racist, that would be racist stereotyping. But saying America itself is racist, just means, America has a cultural issue with racism. Which is true.

Similarly the Israeli mentality regarding the Palestinians is a widespread cultural and political trait within Israeli society. It is entrenched in their society and governs how they view Palestinians. Which is what Gideon Levy who is Israeli says as well. Of course, there are Israelis, like Gideon Levy himself who aren't like that, and it would be wrong for you to scream "Racist!" at a random Israeli. But it is not wrong to say that Israel is racist towards Palestinians. There is demonstrated evidence that there is a cultural issue and political points of view within Israel regarding Palestinians, that are problematic, to put it lightly.
 
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First off, I'm not a zionist.
Secondly, Hamas waged war, when you waged war, there will be casualties, Hamas failed to evacuate Palestinians, they left them there to die....
Israel managed to keep the death toll low despite your over dramatic whining.... If Israel wanted to kill a lot more Palestinians, they have all the arms to do it, but they didn't...
Keep crying...
Sure you're a zionist, you keep arguing that Israel is in the right to wipe Palestine off the map and kill whoever resists.
Just as you're now bragging that Israel has only decided to kill 20,000 women and children but they could kill so much more if only nobody was looking.

 
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Sure you're a zionist, you keep arguing that Israel is in the right to wipe Palestine off the map and kill whoever resists.
Just as you're now bragging that Israel has only decided to kill 20,000 women and children but they could kill so much more if only nobody was looking.

If that's the case you are a terrorist because you support Hamas who world leaders recognize as terrorists...
 

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You are talking about stereotyping. Stereotyping applies to individuals, not nations. If you take a cultural issue from a country - say racism in the US and apply to a random American and call him racist, that would be racist stereotyping. But saying America itself is racist, just means, America has a cultural issue with racism. Which is true.

Similarly the Israeli mentality regarding the Palestinians is a widespread cultural and political trait within Israeli society. It is entrenched in their society and governs how they view Palestinians. Which is what Gideon Levy who is Israeli says as well. Of course, there are Israelis, like Gideon Levy himself who aren't like that, and it would be wrong for you to scream "Racist!" at a random Israeli. But it is not wrong to say that Israel is racist towards Palestinians. There is demonstrated evidence that there is a cultural issue and political points of view within Israel regarding Palestinians, that are problematic, to put it lightly.
there's a very thin line between racial discrimination and stereotyping....you are judging based on hearsay not on facts...
 

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If that's the case you are a terrorist because you support Hamas who world leaders recognize as terrorists...
No, rich.
I support taking both sides to the ICC for all war crimes.
I support a ceasefire, the end of the occupation, the end of apartheid and the end of genocide.
I support equal rights.

You keep defending wiping Palestine off the maps from 'river to sea', taking their land and killing their women and children.
You think you're the one calling out terrorism?
 

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What the fuck are you even talking about franky? Nobody says all Palestinians are Hamas i
While Geno claims that all Israeli Jews are Zionists, all IDF soldiers are Zionists and all donors to the pro-Israel lobby are Zionists.
 
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