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Deficit and Debt Deadbeat Drowns Province in Red Ink

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Chairman Chow can balance the budget, why can't the deadbeat from Edenbridge?



Ford government's budget shortfall soars to $9.8B as tax revenues plunge
Ford signalled Monday that Ontario Finance Minister Peter Bethlenfalvy's fiscal blueprint would tackle cost-of-living concerns.
Robert-Benzie
ByRobert BenzieQueen’s Park Bureau Chief
Tuesday, March 26, 2024
3 min to read

The ink is red and the Tories are blue.

Amid a rapidly slowing economy, Ontario Finance Minister Peter Bethlenfalvy has tabled a record $214.5-billion budget with $9.8-billion deficit for 2024-25 — a staggering $10-billion swing from the $200-million surplus he projected last March.

"It has been a challenging year. Life has rarely been this expensive," Bethlenfalvy conceded Tuesday in the legislature.

While Premier Doug Ford's Progressive Conservative still hope to balance the books in the pre-election budget before the June 2026 campaign, the province is awash in red ink due to lower than expected tax revenues.

"There is a light at the end of the tunnel. We can see it. But, that said, we are not out of the tunnel quite yet," warned Bethlenfalvy, who defended the Tories' decision to continue to spend more money than they take in.

"One choice would be to put the burden on taxpayers — to raise taxes, tolls, tuition or fees. Well, we are not going to do that," the treasurer said.

"A second choice would be to tighten our belts — to cut investment in housing, roads, or better public services. In short, to retreat, and do less. We are not doing that, either," said Bethlenfalvy.

"A third choice … might be to throw our hands up, retreat, and expect municipalities to fill in the gaps. We are not doing that," he said.

"Instead, here’s our choice: We are going to follow through on a plan that is working — knowing that the higher deficits, compared to what we projected last year, will be time-limited while the return on investment will be felt for decades."

In was a stark contrast to his optimism last year when a projected $19.9-billion deficit for 2022-23 had been slashed to $2.2 billion with the 2023-24 shortfall expected to be $1.3 billion. That latter number has been adjusted to $3 billion — a 131 per cent increase.

For 2025-26, Bethlenfalvy is forecasting a $4.6-billion deficit and a $500-million surplus in 2026-27.

The drop in revenues has been dramatic — last March, the government believed it would collect $213 billion in taxes and fees in 2024-25, but that has been lowered to $205.7 billion. A $1-billion contingency fund balloons the deficit to $9.8 billion.

As well, settlements with public servants after the government's Bill 124 wage-cap legislation was found to be unconstitutional have added billions in additional costs to the treasury.

The Tories are now spending 35 per cent more than former premier Kathleen Wynne's Liberals did six years ago in their final budget of $158.5 billion.

Under Ford, the provincial debt has soared by $116 billion to $462.9 billion, the largest debt of any subnational jurisdiction in the world.

"We're not immune to global from global forces," Bethlenfalvy told reporters, referring to the COVID-19 pandemic, wars in Ukraine and the Middle East and worldwide inflation.

Against the backdrop of the $8.28-billion Greenbelt land swap scandal now under investigation by the RCMP, the PC government is still aiming to build 1.5 million new homes by 2031.

In 2023, the Tories said 109,011 new homes were built — including 9,835 additional long-term care beds that are now classified as housing.

That's significantly lower than the average of 150,000 annual housing starts needed to meet the target, but tops the 80,300 reached in 2022.

Touting $3 billion in previously announced funds for cities and towns that are "supercharging municipal efforts to get housing built, Bethlenfalvy is sweetening the pot to encourage more rental construction.

Municipalities will be allowed to charge up to 35 per cent lower property tax rates on new purpose-built rental units.

As first reported by the Star last Wednesday, the 200-page budget earmarks $9 million for a new York University medical school based in Vaughan to tackle the chronic shortage of family doctors.

More than 2.3 million of Ontario's almost 16 million residents don't have a family physician so the Tories hope the new school will help.

But it comes as the province's universities and colleges are already having financial challenges due to a five-year tuition freeze and the federal cap on international students.

Mindful of cost-of-living concerns, Bethlenfalvy officially extended the temporary 5.7 cents a litre gasoline tax cut — first announced in the 2022 election — until Dec. 31.

That six-month extension will cost the cash-strapped treasury an extra $620 million this year.

As well, Bethlenfalvy unveiled minor reforms to auto insurance that will allow motorists to have lower rates if they opt out of some coverage that may duplicate measures in their workplace benefits plans.

The Tories are continuing the electricity subsidies for consumers that began under Wynne's Liberals and will skyrocket from $6.1 billion last year to $7.3 billion in 2024-25.

But NDP Leader Marit Stiles said the budget falls short of what's needed.

"People are looking for better health care and homes they can afford. Instead, they got an uninspired statement from a government that is out of touch and out of ideas," said Stiles.

Liberal Leader Bonnie Crombie said it was a "do-nothing budget" at a time when people need better health care, more affordable housing and improved services

"Families and businesses in Ontario are hurting and Doug Ford is choosing to do nothing," said Crombie, pointing to the Tories' "catastrophic failure" to get housing built in the wake of the Greenbelt fiasco.

Green Leader Mike Schreiner said the fiscal blueprint essentially said "no to reducing the education repair backlog or the teacher shortage or ending Ontario's last-place position on funding colleges and universities."

"People are struggling, they deserve better," said Schreiner.
 
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Not getting younger

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Twits like you don’t listen to experts. Thankfully there’s no copyright infringement this time.

Budgets you said you understand but don’t. Contain lots of words about projections and allocations. Kinda like JT is projecting a balanced budget by 2028. After projecting one by 2019…..

in the end.
no one to blame but you.
“Drowns province in red ink” already in up to their eyeballs.

Amid a rapidly slowing economy, Ontario Finance Minister Peter Bethlenfalvy has tabled a record $214.5-billion budget with $9.8-billion deficit for 2024-25 — a staggering $10-billion swing from the $200-million surplus he projected last March.
If you think that’s bad. Read the federal and make some noise about that. And wait for Boomers in Ontario. That wrecking ball is just getting going .funny how you scream about 10b but not 100s of bs

While I haven’t read it yet, Do you know if that 10billion is for
Hospitals
GPs
LTCs
Infrastructure ( good debt) so there are more jobs
Creating jobs (good debt) so theres more revenue?

Coulda shoulda listened to experts years ago
 
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Anbarandy

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Twits like you don’t listen to experts. Thankfully there’s no copyright infringement this time.

Budgets you said you understand but don’t. Contain lots of words about projections and allocations. Kinda like JT is projecting a balanced budget by 2028. After projecting one by 2019…..

in the end.
no one to blame but you.



If you think that’s bad. Read the federal and make some noise about that. And wait for Boomers in Ontario. That wrecking ball is just getting going .for funny how you scream about 10b but not 100s of bs

While I haven’t read it yet, Do you know if that 10billion is for
Hospitals
GPs
LTCs
Infrastructure ( good debt) so there more jobs
Creating jobs (good debt) so theres more revenue?

Coulda shoulda listened to experts years ago
"It would be an unmitigated disaster if Commie Chairman Chow fiscal conservatives get their claws into the province."

Faux fiscal cockservatives piled on an extra $116 billion dollars in debt in half a decade. What's up with that! Where are the howls of indignation from Skewedee and Nut Gerbil Ying Yang?

BUCK-A-BEER bullshit total debt of $463billion.

Private surgical clinics.
For-profit Long-Term Death Care.
Private for-profit nursing/PSW operators.
Unneeded hwys. to unlock developer value and obscene windfall profits.
Private colleges above strip mall massage parlors producing a million-person army of $8/hr gig workers!

Coulda, did-da!
 
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Twits like you don’t listen to experts. Thankfully there’s no copyright infringement this time.

Budgets you said you understand but don’t. Contain lots of words about projections and allocations. Kinda like JT is projecting a balanced budget by 2028. After projecting one by 2019…..

in the end.
no one to blame but you.
“Drowns province in red ink” already in up to their eyeballs.



If you think that’s bad. Read the federal and make some noise about that. And wait for Boomers in Ontario. That wrecking ball is just getting going .funny how you scream about 10b but not 100s of bs

While I haven’t read it yet, Do you know if that 10billion is for
Hospitals
GPs
LTCs
Infrastructure ( good debt) so there are more jobs
Creating jobs (good debt) so theres more revenue?

Coulda shoulda listened to experts years ago
Nah, most of the debt is from Bill 124.
DoFo isn't building anything.

Did he finish his brother's Scarborough subway yet?
 
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Not getting younger

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More denials and deflections.
just facts.
Like 40 years of historical facts. Repeated
Over and over and over.

Including amalgamation and then you screwed those books too.

just facts.
try working with them and sticking to them sometime.

Nor do sunny days last forever
 

Anbarandy

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More denials and deflections.
just facts.
Like 40 years of historical facts. Repeated
Over and over and over.

Including amalgamation and then you screwed those books too.

just facts.
try working with them and sticking to them sometime.

Nor do sunny days last forever
Commie Chairman Chow equals balanced City of Toronto operating budget - NO DEFICIT

Big Bad Faux Fiscal Cockservative Pimp4PrivateInterests Premier Back Pocket Puppet equals $10BILLION BUDGET DEFICIT; $116BILLION ADDED TO DEBT AND A $463BILLION DEBT CANYON.

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Nah, most of the debt is from Bill 124.
DoFo isn't building anything.

Did he finish his brother's Scarborough subway yet?
Your narrative keeps working against you when reality bites you in the ass:
https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.7107074?feature=related-link
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/billions...g-for-health-care-in-ontario-budget-1.6823215

Scarborough subway construction is expected to be completed in 2030. Tunneling started just over a year ago.
https://www.cp24.com/news/photo-off...ng-the-scarborough-subway-extension-1.6689421
 

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Your narrative keeps working against you when reality bites you in the ass:
https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.7107074?feature=related-link
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/billions...g-for-health-care-in-ontario-budget-1.6823215

Scarborough subway construction is expected to be completed in 2030. Tunneling started just over a year ago.
https://www.cp24.com/news/photo-off...ng-the-scarborough-subway-extension-1.6689421
Hilarious.

DoFo has given Ontario the biggest non-national debt in the world, adding $100 billion.
$10 billion deficit.

You point out he's spending about $600 million on new health care per year, while health care funding in general is less than the inflation rate. You post the fact that the Scarborough subway is still 5 years away from being built as if that's a success.

DoFo's fee break for developers cost municipalities $5 billion, which the cities have to make up by raising NGY's property taxes.
He's cutting education $1200/student.
He cut hospital funding.
He gave $1 billion to for profit clinics.
He didn't collect $1 billion on fines for the 407
$10 billion for the stupid 413
$25 million total for partisan ads.
$6 billion from Bill 124.

He's the worst premier we've ever had.
 

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Typical team lefty village idiots
Think I’m just gonna be a spamming partisan lefty and keep bumping this to the top all day for a week or two ( until I’ve had time and experts have too) so it’s stays on page 1 and near the top…

.Happens to drunk on koolaid, spin and gibberish and wee little leaguers

Have any of you taken the time to separate fact from fiction. Partisan spin and Koolaid, and noise from the signal. Read it yourself? And unbiased experts?

Nope
Because it too much, too hard and filled with gibberish you don’t grasp. Just like the Drummond Commission you guys haven’t read or absorbed ..

So like the lemmings you are, fast to jump off the cliff into the SM bandwagon filled with Koolaid and spin of present day politics on Twit er and MSM who are in the business of trying hard to keep their revenues….and budgets balanced. Which these days is getting very hard. Whether R or L.

But on that topic “where are you”. The center of the universe, that’s filled with Liberal voters. So with respect to Koolaid and Spin. Which side sees the greatest volume of spin Koolaid. (twit er is especially bad, they have algorithms to feed you what you like and your biases ) just like advertising “where are you” or what brand of $1 beer you like.

Nor do lemmings read anything else, or from anywhere else. Like outside the heavily drunk on spin Koolaid and self centered gta. That MSM and twit er need for their revenues.

1) spending might be the largest because 9b more has been added. From last years and the previous 20 years. But you might want to think of the train wreck he inherited and experts you won’t listen to.

2) what happen when you expect to receive “204b in revenue in 2023, but only receive 194b”?
Amid a rapidly slowing economy, Ontario Finance Minister Peter Bethlenfalvy has tabled a record $214.5-billion budget with $9.8-billion deficit for 2024-25 — a staggering $10-billion swing from the $200-million surplus he projected last March.
3) do you know what the 9b was spent on? Was it spent on good debt or bad debt? Say like infrastructure to create jobs, or LTCs?

Keep swimming in Koolaid lefty little leaguers that’s don’t grasp basics of budgets….or politics…. Or even words like Endoresment, projections, allocations

All that up there are just facts. Something I tend to work with and stick with. If you don’t like that either. Deal with it. That’s your problem……dumb red neck lemmings.
 
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Chairman Chow can balance the budget, why can't the deadbeat from Edenbridge?



Ford government's budget shortfall soars to $9.8B as tax revenues plunge
Ford signalled Monday that Ontario Finance Minister Peter Bethlenfalvy's fiscal blueprint would tackle cost-of-living concerns.
why are you blaming the result of decades of loonie left irresponsible spending / borrowing on the premier who inherited this mess ?

for a very long time , I have been warning the loonie left irresponsible spending / borrowing would hamstring the finances of future govts
this is playing out as just as I stated

and yet you choose to ignore the real facts of the matter in favor of your personal inquisition of Doug Ford

i got news for you, the problems driven by the irresponsible loonie left debt accumulation are just getting started

there will be billion and billions of irresponsible debt that will mature and have to be refinanced at much higher interest rates
constantly increasing the annual interest payments .... at the expense of health care and education


start using your grey matter



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JohnLarue

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Commie Chairman Chow equals balanced City of Toronto operating budget - NO DEFICIT
by increasing property taxes 9-10% in a devastating inflationary period ?
by taxing the rain ?

she will prove to be a disaster, just like any other commie politician
 
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Your narrative keeps working against you when reality bites you in the ass:
https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.7107074?feature=related-link
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/billions...g-for-health-care-in-ontario-budget-1.6823215

Scarborough subway construction is expected to be completed in 2030. Tunneling started just over a year ago.
https://www.cp24.com/news/photo-off...ng-the-scarborough-subway-extension-1.6689421
Typical team lefty village idiots
Think I’m just gonna be a spamming partisan lefty and keep bumping this to the top all day for a week or two ( until I’ve had time and experts have too) so it’s stays on page 1 and near the top…

.Happens to drunk on koolaid, spin and gibberish and wee little leaguers

Have any of you taken the time to separate fact from fiction. Partisan spin and Koolaid, and noise from the signal. Read it yourself? And unbiased experts?

Nope
Because it too much, too hard and filled with gibberish you don’t grasp. Just like the Drummond Commission you guys haven’t read or absorbed ..

So like the lemmings you are, fast to jump off the cliff into the SM bandwagon filled with Koolaid and spin of present day politics on Twit er and MSM who are in the business of trying hard to keep their revenues….and budgets balanced. Which these days is getting very hard. Whether R or L.

But on that topic “where are you”. The center of the universe, that’s filled with Liberal voters. So with respect to Koolaid and Spin. Which side sees the greatest volume of spin Koolaid. (twit er is especially bad, they have algorithms to feed you what you like and your biases ) just like advertising “where are you” or what brand of $1 beer you like.

Nor do lemmings read anything else, or from anywhere else. Like outside the heavily drunk on spin Koolaid and self centered gta. That MSM and twit er need for their revenues.

1) spending might be the largest because 9b more has been added. From last years and the previous 20 years. But you might want to think of the train wreck he inherited and experts you won’t listen to.

2) what happen when you expect to receive “204b in revenue in 2023, but only receive 194b”?

3) do you know what the 9b was spent on? Was it spent on good debt or bad debt? Say like infrastructure to create jobs, or LTCs?

Keep swimming in Koolaid lefty little leaguers that’s don’t grasp basics of budgets….or politics…. Or even words like Endoresment, projections, allocations

All that up there are just facts. Something I tend to work with and stick with. If you don’t like that either. Deal with it. That’s your problem……dumb red neck lemmings.
why are you blaming the result of decades of loonie left irresponsible spending / borrowing on the premier who inherited this mess ?

for a very long time , I have been warning the loonie left irresponsible spending / borrowing would hamstring the finances of future govts
this is playing out as just as I stated

and yet you choose to ignore the real facts of the matter in favor of your personal inquisition of Doug Ford

i got news for you, the problems driven by the irresponsible loonie left debt accumulation are just getting started

there will be billion and billions of irresponsible debt that will mature and have to be refinanced at much higher interest rates
constantly increasing the annual interest payments .... at the expense of health care and education


start using your grey matter
btw the debt had doubled since 2015 thanks to Granny Wynne


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Not only does it really suck being forced to defend raging out of control faux fiscal cockservative spendthrift deficits and a world leading non-sovereign debt shit pile it is also so obviously futile.

Lame.
 
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"It would be an unmitigated disaster if Commie Chairman Chow gets herclaws into the province."
It would be, and it is. Who do you think is bailing out Toronto's huge shortfall? The Province and the Feds. That spending is part of the provincial $8 billion deficit.

Private surgical clinics.
Good idea. It's the only viable path to meeting the shortfall in demand for medical services.
For-profit Long-Term Death Care.
Good idea for those who can afford their own elder care. Or should all taxpayers, rich and poor, subsidize elder care so that wealthy people can pass on more legacy wealth to their undeserving progeny?
Private for-profit nursing/PSW operators.
Good idea. Fills a gap in demand for nursing services for those who can afford to pay.
Unneeded hwys. to unlock developer value and obscene windfall profits.
People don't buy those homes close to highways if they don't see the value in them. Not everybody is working at home in their chicken coop in the sky, laying electronic eggs for a living. You and Chairman Chow have got a real blind spot about that.
Private colleges above strip mall massage parlors producing a million-person army of $8/hr gig workers!
There certainly is a lot of work in this economy that's only worth $8 an hour. It will get worse if the kNeeDiPpers ever have their way with the levers of power. In the meantime, you've got to fill the jobs that actually exist.
 

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Not only does it really suck being forced to defend raging out of control faux fiscal cockservative spendthrift deficits and a world leading non-sovereign debt shit pile it is also so obviously futile.

Lame.

too funny
you are trying to blame conservatives for decades of irresponsible loonie left debt accumulation

that is not lame , it is ridiculous, totally illogical and highlights your perpetual ignorance

if you think Doug Ford is a spend thrift, write him a letter asking him to slash the biggest expense >> payments to the unionized public sector

it must be devastating for you to finally realize your failed ideology is the root cause of govt financial stress
And it is only going to get worse
parasites often kill the host


start using your grey matter or does applying logic give you headaches ?
 
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