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Frankfooter

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So your choices are "not doing enough to stop this" and " doing even less to stop this".
Your policy of "Never Again" means "I should choose to do less to stop this, and also increase other evil in the world".

We are always going to disagree about this Frank.
I just can't support evil the way you do for personal reasons.
Apparently if falls under how you define evil and your own personal limits.
My limit is genocide, I refuse to back genocide now no matter how 'pragmatic' or if there is some slight possibility it could get worse in the future.
Your limit appears to be rump, that you think supporting rump and what he could do to the US is worse than genocide.

We will continue to disagree here



No.
The US system is fucked in lots and lots of ways.
That it is fucked is why you don't get magical ponies that fix everything if you are just virtuous and strong in your beliefs.
I know you don't accept that, but reality bites.
That's a butler like response, 'the system is too fucked to change so back a little genocide'.
What you are admitting is that, like butler, you don't think you can change the system so its not worth trying to fix it just to continue to back the lesser of two evils.

You're the one who has been insisting it is because of the genocide.
Have you decided to go on to other "Nope, actually Joe Biden is bad and has always been bad and is a neoliberal shill and just as bad as Trump" now?
No, becoming Genocide Joe also means answering why Biden would use emergency measures for billions in bombs on Gaza but not on student loans, healthcare or social services. What was once excusable as part of a government where nothing gets done becomes a question on why Biden could get evil done but refused to do the good parts.


I didn't say your views were radical.
I said you claiming that 80% had the same views of things as you do is not sound reasoning.
They have the same view on backing a ceasefire. Do they also like the same music and as much hot sauce? No.

Of course I know they are split and I *do* agree with Cory about the pizzaburger problem.
(BTW, if you read Cory's article and paid attention to him, you would know that he considers "the progressives" the Dems you claim to oppose now. Just an FYI if you plan on cribbing from his work in the future.)

And no, I don't think the leftists pushing for the Dems to do better are backing magic ponies.
I think you Frank, are backing magic ponies.
You think by 'working class dems' he meant the Pelosi side of the party and not Bernie and AOC?
By 'magic ponies' you again mean you don't think the system can change so therefore don't bother trying. I got it.

Yes, you are well on your way to joining Butler.
He, too, thought that if the progressives just made sure the corpodems lose, then they would be in charge after Trump because obviously everyone would choose the right thing after they had been made to suffer enough.
No, butler says burn it all down and start again. You say don't bother trying to fix the system or change it thats asking for a 'magic pony'.
I see change as quite possible. Sometimes its fast and a wall falls down, or a billionaire walks down a gold escalator to a hired audience of actors and sometimes it takes a few elections to change a party. But to claim it can't change so don't fix it is exactly the butler stance.

Yup.
Butler's plan of "they have to suffer enough and then we can fix the system after they've learned their lesson" is in full effect I see.
That's not the butler plan, he's an accelerationist who wants the entire system torched because he thinks, like you, it can't be changed.
 

Butler1000

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I'm laughing so hard that two of the biggest trolls on the site are arguing over which one is more like me......

I really do live in some heads.
 
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