"The Left Is In A REALLY Bad Place" - Ana Kasparian On The Current Political Climate
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Explain your logic here...
You are calling me a liar for providing a list of 100+ accomplishments from a reputable source that was fact checked.
How am I lying?
Whether you agree with every item on the list or not how does that make me a liar?
I'll wait...
Nope, I am not going to waste time again going in circles with you. If you do not want to be considered a troll and a waste of time, do the right thing and say sorry guys. It's not that hard, you can do it.
A list is from a website article that I graciously provided (easily found through a google search if someone wasn't lazy)
A link is a pointer to the same content posted on that website.
Both the link and the content were posted in the same thread.
In other words, who cares other than someone who is lazy and has no argument about the actual topic so they troll about semantics?
Skoob is a troll.
They will never admit they lied about posting a link.
Thank you for confirming you posted an unsourced list, not a link and not a linked list.
Its not hard to do both.
For instance, here's a list that has a link embedded.
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1. Don’t Feed the Trolls
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5. Kill Them with Kindness
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8. Block, Ban, or Report Trolls
9. Decompress Before You Reply
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haha the king troll just keeps trolling.
Remember, you're just here to provide the rest of us with entertainment...no one actually takes you seriously.
To be honest, you're not even that great at trolling. That's what makes your failure entertaining! Lol!
This might help you:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/xy7yxn/how-to-become-an-internet-troll-in-five-easy-steps
You're welcome...carry on...your majesty! Lol!
Ana lives online and deals with the terminally online.
Of course she thinks they're nuts, that's the audience for these things.
She also seems to think the social media terminally online crowd she's been part of is "the left".
(Same for the Right wing nutbars who think Twitter / X / Truth Social is reality.)
It's Twitter-brain and lots of media people suffer from it.
Remember people who thought Tulsi Gabbard was a big deal progressive politician because some of the "online left" thought she was hot?
and yet oddly, a lot of her observations are bang on and apparent. In this thread in spades, many others. As well as the electorate. Not to mention Canadas sea of blue vs one tiny island of red and Trumps hard to explain remaining popularity.
^^^^ that stuff is called supporting an opinion. Something oddly absent throughout by lefties, including your argument. And one of her observations. Let’s also ignore anyone that agrees with her is a far right Nazi wing nut.
The left has lost the plot
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Totally possible.
[QUOTE[^^^^ that stuff is called supporting an opinion. Something oddly absent throughout by lefties, including your argument. And one of her observations. Let’s also ignore anyone that agrees with her is a far right Nazi wing nut.
The left has lost the plot
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That's pretty weak supporting an opinion.
"I agree with her, therefore she is right."
But any nonsense behaviour in this thread (I skipped it since the whole thing seemed to degenerate into an argument about firewalls or something) is just actually support for my opinion.
The terminally online are nuts and becoming convinced that's what real life is warps your perceptions.
It is way way more than your unsupported who made you god opinion. And easily, easily further backed up.Even your rebuttal has zero support. And is in keeping with her observations. And in fact, can be seen/argued is a deflection complete with elitist insults.
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Only listened to it on background.
She herself points out normal people aren't on X or otherwise terminally online and blames the toxic bullshit there.
Like I said, she sees those people as a problem and she's right, they're a shitshow, but even she acknowledges that's not where most people are.
Her idea that "the left" is the assholes on twitter and so on is not surprising - she is a media personality who is always online herself.
But "the terminally online are assholes" isn't something I am arguing with, all three of us (you, me, and her) seem to agree about it.
Again - look at this thread.
You all spent over a dozen pages arguing about firewalls or some bullshit in some kind of weird "gotcha" bullshit.
Of course anyone who thought that is what actually represents a political movement would think it was in a " really bad place".
I'm far more interested in the other clip Oracle posted, which he summarized as her saying that child sex trafficking is a misdemeanor in California.
That seems crazy to me, but also is a much bigger deal because it isn't about online bullshit, but about real-world issues and a real-world problem.
As I said, whether she has X number of follower, or not. That doesn’t change the merit of her observations. Nor the extreme unlikely hood 70mm or so Americans are far right wing nuts and Nazi. Nor the most, very most fair accurate and likely. Is that the left and right are split rural/urban divides and bases both there and here
Her follower count has only to do with the fact that as someone who live online and makes her living that way, she is prone to mistaking the terminally online for the view of most people.
That's what fucks with her observations.
70 million is what... <25% of the US population?
That's about the right amount to be far right wing and vaguely Fascist/Nazi, yes.
The default "crazification" part of the population has been rough guessed at 27% for a couple of decades or more.
She barely mentions that, from what I saw.
But yes, the rural/urban thing is the driving factor in most of Europe and North America of late.
1) yet again no data or substantial supporting arguments to back up your opinion. You’re also forgetting centrist/swing voters. The “middle” and largest components. Who might lean slightly left or right, and on vote day, might depend on various issues, what’s happening the world. Place an X for the R or L
and normally apathetic voters ( let’s call that statistically supported another 30%-35%) that don’t vote until they are motivated to do so…. So if each side gets roughly “25%” of the vote…..or in the U.S. 45-47% of the decided popular vote….you’re also forgetting without splitting hairs, in each of their wins. All they really did was swap popular votes.
2) Canadas sea of uneducated economically disadvantaged, dumb red neck blue ( which isn’t all that dissimilar) buries, floods your opinion of guessed at opinion.
Liberals at risk of big losses in Vancouver, Toronto, Nanos projections show
The Conservatives continue to hold a commanding lead over the Liberals, who are at risk of losing large swaths of Metro Vancouver and the Greater Toronto Area, a new survey from Nanos Research has found.
An Extremely Detailed Map of the 2020 Election (Published 2021)
An interactive map that lets readers explore in new detail how most states voted in the 2020 presidential election.
So I guess I’ll just defer to your opinion and that all the red necks in rural Ontario/Canada, and central U.S. are all just far right Nazis and crazies.
3) Oddly enough, this person too had very eerily similar observations that the left are to blame and have lost the plot, back in 2016. Maybe worth the read and listen
U.K. Satirist Goes on Passionate Rant Blaming the Left for Trump Victory, Brexit in Viral Video
The video has hit more than 20 million views on Facebook.
www.hollywoodreporter.com
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Why would I need any?
You believe her because what she says reinforces your beliefs.
I also find that what she says reinforces my beliefs - namely, that the terminally online are bonkers and often assholes.
She and I disagree in that she thinks the online reality is representative, even though she herself admits that most people aren't online and aren't neck deep in this fucking nonsense.
No. I'm not.
I said I have no trouble believing there are 70 million plus people who are pro-fascism.
Those aren't all Trump voters. Trump voters are a different group of people, although there is some overlap, obviously.
Yes.
Voters don't vote in lockstep.
I have no idea what you think you are saying here.
Or this.
Who swapped popular votes?
Do you mean Biden and Trump?
Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 and lost it by even more in 2020.
That's not swapping popular votes.
Canadians aren't Americans and don't vote in American elections.
Canadians are a different people, with their own history and culture and reasons for voting.
I'm also not sure why you are obsessed with calling rural Canadians dumb red necks, it's rude.
I don't know if you know this, but Vancouver and Toronto are big cities - not rural.Liberals at risk of big losses in Vancouver, Toronto, Nanos projections show
The Conservatives continue to hold a commanding lead over the Liberals, who are at risk of losing large swaths of Metro Vancouver and the Greater Toronto Area, a new survey from Nanos Research has found.www.ctvnews.ca
Yes, as this three year old article says, there is a big urban/rural divide.
I thought we agreed on that.
And we agree the same thing is going on in the US. (Of course, the rural/urban divide is nothing new.)An Extremely Detailed Map of the 2020 Election (Published 2021)
An interactive map that lets readers explore in new detail how most states voted in the 2020 presidential election.www.nytimes.com
Of course, this all interacts with the FPTP system in all kinds of significant ways.
I don't know why you're obsessed with that idea.
I don't know how to break it to you, but that isn't the truth and you probably need to develop a more nuanced view of people and how they vote.
This angry cartoon world version of things in your head isn't helping you.
Yeah. I remember this guy, the online satirist who has whole rants about how people need to listen to the other side (unless they disagree with him, in which case they are evil and need to shut up).3) Oddly enough, this person too had very eerily similar observations that the left are to blame and have lost the plot, back in 2016. Maybe worth the read and listen
U.K. Satirist Goes on Passionate Rant Blaming the Left for Trump Victory, Brexit in Viral Video
The video has hit more than 20 million views on Facebook.www.hollywoodreporter.com
But, like Ana, he says what you want to hear, so I guess he's obviously speaking the truth.
That’s a lot of word salad trying to dance around your spurious claim with nothing to substantiate it. A common theme amongst the left that’s lost the plot. One of her observations.
let’s back track. You felt entitled enough to challenge an opinion as you always do and admit you do, and said this.
You’ve also claimed. You always support your opinions. Yet youve offered zero support to substantiate any of your claims. And said that^^^^^^^^^^. another of her observations. Actually that’s worth two or three.
So I offered even more support. Then all you did was dance around with a lot of verbal diarrhea and try to pick it apart with zero support. Another of her observations and another and another.
Now I’m challenging yours that the earth is flat..
I also know he’s satirist. Doesn’t change the fact. It doesn’t mean everyone that Voted for him, or agrees with her observations are far right nazis or crazies. Nor does it mean his rant is inaccurate.
Another of her observations and another
Your belief and bold assertion is that 70million Americans and those that “beleive” her are bonkers and crazies. Another of her observations
What do you have that substantiates your claim and belief the earth is flat.
I don’t know if you know this, but there is a lot more to Canada than the center of the universe. Vancouver is 700,000 and the center of the universe around 7,000,000. Let’s call it 8 million in a country of 40,000,000. So a difference of 32 million. And like the US electoral maps are near mirror images.
And they aren’t all far right Nazis or Crazies. I’m shocked you can’t pick up on that and see the parallel. Especially such a lofty and nerdy academic. Another of her observations.
And do you know. There are scientific studies that suggest the left are prone to being crazies and flat earthers. And that you are a prime example of her and his observations.
I score that 14 or 20-0
That the left is in a really bad place and has lost the plot.
I’m also thinking you don’t know satirist contain uncomfortable truths, caricatures, paradoxes and sarcasm. And that, that is why it’s called satire and not comedy.
let’s back track. You felt entitled enough to challenge an opinion as you always do and admit you do, and said this.
That ^^^^^ is another of her observations . So I said it’s more than yours…and then…
You’ve also claimed. You always support your opinions. Yet youve offered zero support to substantiate any of your claims. And said that^^^^^^^^^^. another of her observations. Actually that’s worth two or three.
So I offered even more support. Then all you did was dance around with a lot of verbal diarrhea and try to pick it apart with zero support. Another of her observations and another and another.
Now I’m challenging yours that the earth is flat..
I also know he’s satirist. Doesn’t change the fact. It doesn’t mean everyone that Voted for him, or agrees with her observations are far right nazis or crazies. Nor does it mean his rant is inaccurate.
Another of her observations and another
Your belief and bold assertion is that 70million Americans and those that “beleive” her are bonkers and crazies. Another of her observations
What do you have that substantiates your claim and belief the earth is flat.
I don’t know if you know this, but there is a lot more to Canada than the center of the universe. Vancouver is 700,000 and the center of the universe around 7,000,000. Let’s call it 8 million in a country of 40,000,000. So a difference of 32 million. And like the US electoral maps are near mirror images.
And they aren’t all far right Nazis or Crazies. I’m shocked you can’t pick up on that and see the parallel. Especially such a lofty and nerdy academic. Another of her observations.
And do you know. There are scientific studies that suggest the left are prone to being crazies and flat earthers. And that you are a prime example of her and his observations.
I score that 14 or 20-0
That the left is in a really bad place and has lost the plot.
I’m also thinking you don’t know satirist contain uncomfortable truths, caricatures, paradoxes and sarcasm. And that, that is why it’s called satire and not comedy.
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Yes.
That's what she believes.
So do you.
That's why you believe her.
I see no reason I wouldn't be entitled enough to disagree with her opinion.
Is she magical?
Is she the pope?
Do I owe her fealty due to feudal oath?
No?
Then I can disagree with her opinion.
Yes.
This is an incredibly common thing in general and it is wildly obvious with the terminally online she is complaining about.
That isn't a left/right thing.
People do that all the time.
LOL!!
What support did you offer?
You posted an article about Vancouver and Toronto and you posted an electoral map of the US.
You didn't even engage with her argument.
Did you not post those maps?
Look.
Until you actually make a coherent argument, I'm not sure what you want me to do.
Sorry.
Are you arguing that the earth is flat or are you saying that I am arguing that the earth is flat?
Or are you trying your hand at a metaphor now?
His rant was accurate according to you because you believe it was accurate and tells you what you want to hear.
Just like she says.
So we agree, believing things this way because you are terminally online isn't actually healthy for real discussion.
I never said that the people who believe her are bonkers and crazies.
That's just you projecting again.
Do you even notice that you are actually framing this with the idea that anyone who possibly believed anything other than what you do is a deluded person, the equivalent of a flat earther, and all the nuances and insult that implies?
I'm just wondering if you are going for deliberate irony or not.
Ok.
This sounds like you are trying to make a point.
Take a deep breath. Count to ten.
Then try again and expand just this statement into a fully formed, laid out argument.
Now. I know you dislike that threads change topic, so if this point of yours has nothing to do with Ana's video, then start a new thread when you do it, ok?
First of all, who are you talking about now?
You were just talking about the population of Vancouver and Toronto.
Do you think I think all of them are Nazis and crazies?
Are you talking about the people in the US electoral maps?
It's bad enough you keep accusing people of thinking everyone is Nazi and crazy (which sounds a lot like you are projecting your assumptions on these people, since no one else seems to be making these accusations) but can you at least try and focus long enough so I can know who I am supposed to be slandering?
Really?
That's interesting.
Can you bring some of these scientific studies to the forum?
That would be really interesting to read.
Are we playing a game?
Is this that "whiffing" and "no-hitter" thing you seem to keep talking about?
This might be the problem you know.
I've commented before that you often seem to be having an argument that exists only in your head and tend to get REALLY angry when people don't play the roles you've already cast for them and go along with your script.
