Israel at war
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Zionists would have killed him regardless.Yeah and Jesus was Palestinian
That stable would have made a great condo.
dude you are losing your mind over thisAnother intentional misquote.
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26 accusations of lying, 40 intentional misquotes (straw man arguments) - 0 proof
More evidence of rape and assassinations at Shifa Hospital.
Very easily?
Because he did a lot of damage in the first 4 years, has changed the makeup of the people he is bringing in, has announced that he intends to do so and is gathering the resources to do so, and no longer feels he needs the support of people who are more ambivalent about the goal than last time.
Are you not even paying attention to the election?
Do you read history?
You literally said, "In your view genocide is happening to people whose understanding of politics is 'incredibly shallow'," and we are talking about American voters.
How else do you want me to interpret it?
No, you don't represent them.
You have very specific views about politics and how they work.
That 80% you claim to "represent" don't all agree on the whole rest of the package here.
That's not how politics work and the fact you think it does is exactly what I'm talking about.
Because they aren't.
Yes.
And some of those models are very wrong.
Just objectively wrong about what actually happens.
It's a good thing I don't work from a model that says that, then, isn't it?
Yes.
I know you don't understand.
It's very clear and I'm not going to waste time educating you.
What, with nukes?
Considering the protests through the US and world for this level of support of genocide, how much further do you really think rump could go?
Gaza is already a death camp.
The US survived 4 years of rump once. Rump is fully senile right now and has removed all competent people around him.
Biden will most likely lose the election through his personal choice to go against the will of his own party and become Genocide Joe.
You know it, I know it and trying to convince me to change my mind and won't make me suddenly become american so I can vote for Biden.
Check the thread, you brought up the argument that people who refused to vote for Biden had 'incredibly shallow' understanding of politics.
I did say 'real' ceasefire but you said 'incredibly shallow' along with arguing that its 'pragmatic' to support genocide to keep rump out of office.
80% of dems supported a ceasefire for the last 5 months, as far as I know those numbers haven't moved much if at all.
On this board you might argue that klatuu or kautliya represent their views better than mine, but its moot.
Three answers towards claiming that your model of the world is superior to those of the 80% of dems who support ceasefire.
As I said, your views ring of ivory tower superiority. You've read the books and papers so therefore can't be wrong.
That's a MAGA like answer.
You push a model of the world where you are arguing that supporting evil for the greater good is 'pragmatic'.
The MAGA justification that all politicians are corrupt so therefore you might as well back someone corrupt if he says he's on your team is what you claim to be the Wilhoit Law, bind others, protect yourself.
But your model is pushing the Wilhoit law that its acceptable that the law doesn't protect Palestinians as long as it can then bind MAGA.
Which labels you as part of the 'corporate' or 'realistic' side of the dems, or as pushing conservative values.
I'm just arguing that we find a way that the law binds both sides equally.
Didn't you post Kushner saying how Gaza would be good to build on and lovely property - all you have to do is drop all the people living there into the desert?
Exactly.
It's incredibly fucking dangerous.
I'm not trying to convince you that Biden's handling of the Gaza situation hasn't been bad both morally and for his election chances.
I'm trying to convince you that "punishing Biden" by aiding a Trump victory accomplishes none of the goals you claim to want.
I get that you find that frustrating, but lying to yourself that it will be fine with Trump is dangerous.
And sure, it will for you probably. The direct effects on Canadians day to day won't be immediately terrible.
Yes.
And you said they were being subjected to genocide.
Which was fucking weird.
But yes, refusing to vote for Biden for those reasons means you have an incredibly shallow understanding of politics, more specifically the political structure of the US.
It's pragmatic to vote for Biden to keep Trump out of office.
That you think this is specifically and primarily a vote in support of genocide is because you have a shallow understanding of politics.
Yes, but you yourself have said you are against a ceasefire if it isn't a "real" ceasefire.
And "supporting a ceasefire" is not the same as your entire political view on the situation, obviously.
No.
I've dealt with actually doing politics.
LOL!
That's funny.
Well that's adorably incoherent.
Much like Butler, that you think this is an effective attack doesn't show you in the best light.
No you're not.
You're arguing that magic ponies will fix everything and you're very upset that I keep pointing out that there are no magic ponies.
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Were you unaware of the recent protests at a synagogue over potential land sales in the occupied territories?
Are you unaware of the conferences for land sale in Gaza that have already happened during the genocide?
This is already happening.
Yes, which is why its upsetting that Biden will have to lose the election to end genocide.
I'm trying to tell you that Never Again means Never Again.
Backing genocide isn't just doing a little bad for the greater good, its backing genocide.
You think I said dems were suffering genocide?
That's weird.
Your moral supremacy in defending the power 'practical' side of the dems over the progressive, vote winning side, is part of the problem of US politics.
Stating you will be 'pragmatic' and support a little genocide, massive corporate lobbying and the side of the party that you don't agree with in order for the greater good of not letting rump in power is why the US system is fucked.
That you think Biden has lost support only because of the genocide shows you have a shallow understanding of the issues.
My views aren't that radical. Stop the genocide through a ceasefire, apply international law to both sides, end apartheid and implement equal rights.
You would think those are cornerstones of democracy more than 'support a little bad to get my guy in power'.
D, at best. You didn't answer the question and misinterpreted the points.
You do know that the dems are split, you don't agree with Cory's take on the pizzaburger split between progressives and corporate dems but you do think supporting the progressive side is backing magic ponies.
Butler wants to burn the system down in the hopes that the boogaloo bois types build his socialist utopia in the ashes.
I just want the progressive side of the dems, the side that actually wins the votes, to gain power through taking support away from the corporate side.
Your view is that the US will end if rump gets back in power, my view is you play the long game to try to fix the system.
