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Kautilya said:
That is what I addressed. When you forcefully change the demographics of a region there is going to be violence. The demographic change should not have been forced by the British on those lands as they had no right to. ...
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Does Canada have the right to allow immigrants and determine policies to further that?
So why wouldn't the British Mandate or the Ottomans have that ability?

Of course you ignore that the start of Jewish violence (the topic you brought up) was against Jews legally there under the Ottomans.


p.s. Just like the colonization, genocide, and continued oppression of Canada's indigenous, your views are completely contradictory to your own actions in becoming a settler immigrant.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Yes and Israel is not 'preventing' killing Palestinians in Gaza,...
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Nothing in the rulings aid "killing" it said "genocide". Death is part of war.

Hamas' intent was genocide and they have repeatedly admitted it. Hamas also has repeatedly turned down ceasefires because they think the PR from death and suffering is a benefit to them.


And you still arguing against the UN, ICC, ICJ while also selectively cherry-picking from them?
 
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Kautilya said:
Canada does. Because Canada is an established state today. And back in the day, Canada was a settler colonial movement.

The British in 1919 did not. They were a colonial invader.

Canada did start out as a settler colonial movement similar to Israel, but it has since provided citizenship to its indigeneous peoples, acknowledges past and present injustices and takes steps, regardless of whether they are adequate or not, to alleviate concerns.

Israel on the other hand is still engaged in genocide.
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But Canadian indigenous people have not received weapons from Soviet Union. They have not been radicalized to live their life like shit (in the name of some bright future that would actually have been shit as well if it ever came).
 
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basketcase said:
Hmm. Israel provides the US both military development and intelligence assets to the US.
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The US doesn't need to learn how to kill women and children from Israel.
Nor do they need to learn how to rule through apartheid.
Nor do they need to learn how to use AI to justify targeting civilians.
Nor do they need to learn how to use drones on civilians.

Why do you want the US to do all that in the US?
 
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basketcase said:
Does Canada have the right to allow immigrants and determine policies to further that?
So why wouldn't the British Mandate or the Ottomans have that ability?
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So the indigenous Palestinian population should have the right to choose if foreign zionist settlers should be allowed to stay?
 
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basketcase said:
Nothing in the rulings aid "killing" it said "genocide". Death is part of war.

Hamas' intent was genocide and they have repeatedly admitted it. Hamas also has repeatedly turned down ceasefires because they think the PR from death and suffering is a benefit to them.


And you still arguing against the UN, ICC, ICJ while also selectively cherry-picking from them?
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The ICJ ruling's Provisional Measures said Israel was to abide by the act by not committing genocide, to prevent killing Palestinians, to allow all aid through and to charge those who incite genocide.

You need to stop lying so poorly.

Order of 26 January 2024



78. The Court considers that, with regard to the situation described above, Israel must, in accordance with its obligations under the Genocide Convention, in relation to Palestinians in Gaza, take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of this Convention, in particular: (a) killing members of the group; (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and (d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group. The Court recalls that these acts fall within the scope of Article II of the Convention when they are committed with the intent to destroy in whole or in part a group as such (see paragraph 44 above). The Court further considers that Israel must ensure with immediate effect that its military forces do not commit any of the above-described acts.

79. The Court is also of the view that Israel must take all measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip.

80. The Court further considers that Israel must take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the adverse conditions of life faced by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

81. Israel must also take effective measures to prevent the destruction and ensure the preservation of evidence related to allegations of acts within the scope of Article II and Article III of the Genocide Convention against members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip.
 
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Leimonis said:
But Canadian indigenous people have not received weapons from Soviet Union. They have not been radicalized to live their life like shit (in the name of some bright future that would actually have been shit as well if it ever came).
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Amazing what happens when you give indigenous people full human rights, the vote and equality under the law, isn't it?
 
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Frankfooter said:
Amazing what happens when you give indigenous people full human rights, the vote and equality under the law, isn't it?
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omg such a simple solution. Funny how israel has never figured it out. They must have never thought about it!
 
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southpaw said:
Blah blah blah... So what need is there for an Israel lobby? Why waste hundreds of millions every year to buy off US politicians, and to threaten the ones that don't comply?

If it's in their national interest, wouldn't they do it anyway, without needing to be bought or threatened? Get real.
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Do you think there is a Palestinian lobby, or a Saudi lobby, or a Quattro lobby, or a Jordanian lobby. You get my drift.

your question assumes that no one who supports Israel can have a legitimately founded belief but rather has a belief because they have been bought . Very cynical and certainly wrong.
 
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toguy5252 said:
Do you think there is a Palestinian lobby, or a Saudi lobby, or a Quattro lobby, or a Jordanian lobby. You get my drift.

your question assumes that no one who supports Israel can have a legitimately founded belief but rather has a belief because they have been bought . Very cynical and certainly wrong.
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AIPAC is funded by 10 billionaires who back Likud and rump.
That is the Israeli lobby.

Not the Jewish lobby.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1769529410913259884
 
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Leimonis said:
Speaking of genocide 😂

Does South Africa have the highest murder rate?

By one ranking South Africa has the world's third-highest murder rate, behind only Jamaica and Honduras and six times the U.S. average, with no other African nation even close.Dec 7, 2023
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Rising Crime in South Africa - Genocide Watch
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Bummer that they still have the moral high ground, isn't it?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1770021503700181412
 
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