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UN report finds ‘convincing’ information that hostages in Gaza were raped | CNN
frank do you still stand by your claim that there is zero evidence that Hamas committed rape on Oct.7.
Are you claiming that the UN is lying? You love quoting them all the time. If they're lying it means their definition of "apartheid" is also a lie.
Yes, shack, we've been over this.

Two points:
1) we can discuss this report if you agree all UN reports should be respected and acted on
2) we can discuss her role and whether she did any investigation or just repeated IDF talking points

But you have to agree to 1) first.
 
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Here you go. Eat crow.

As reported by AP, CBC, Wall Street Journal, New York Times etc.:
UN finds 'convincing information' backing reports Hamas and other militants raped women on Oct. 7 | CBC News
UN: 'Reasonable grounds to believe' rapes occurred in Hamas attack in Israel : NPR
UN Finds Evidence Hamas Committed Sexual Violence Since Oct. 7 - Bloomberg
UN sexual violence envoy: Israelis were raped, sexually tortured on 10/7 - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)
'Reasonable grounds’ Hamas committed sexual violence on Oct. 7: UN | National Post
United Nations group finds Hamas committed sexual violence on Oct. 7 | The Hill
The UN's own news source: ‘Clear and convincing information’ that hostages held in Gaza subjected to sexual violence says UN Special Representative | UN News
Israeli rape crisis centres demand UN action over Oct. 7 attacks | Reuters

You have egg on your face once again.

Here's a chance for you to show some honour, integrity a modicum of decency. For once be a mensch You need to apologize and admit that you were wrong.

In the face of such overwhelming and universally accepted evidence, if you continue to lie about the rape and sexual violence perpetrated on Oct.7, I do not know how that could be considered anything other than egregious hate speech.

No response so far. What's the matter? Hamas got your tongue? Or is it buried too far up their asses?

You need to comment.
1)Do you agree all UN reports should be honoured and acted on?
2) Posting different news agencies reporting on the same, single report does not make your case any stronger.
 
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Instead of celebrating Hamas' use of rape and sexual violence, try reading the UN report.

Just a few segments that outright refute your claims

58. Based on the examination of available information, including credible statements by eyewitnesses, there are reasonable grounds to believe that multiple incidents of rape, including gang rape, occurred in and around the Nova festival site during the 7 October attacks. Credible information was obtained regarding multiple incidents whereby victims were subjected to rape and then killed.

60. There are reasonable grounds to believe that sexual violence occurred on and around Road 232. Credible information based on corroborating witness accounts describes an incident involving the rape of two women.

61. Nova music festival goers also attempted to escape to the south and sought shelter in and around kibbutz Re’im, about 2 km southwest of the Nova music festival site. There are reasonable grounds to believe that sexual violence occurred in kibbutz Re’im, including rape. This included the rape of a woman outside of a bomb shelter at the entrance of kibbutz Re’im, which was corroborated by witness testimonies and digital material. Within the kibbutz itself, in one area close to the entrance, the bodies of at least two women were found inside a home, on the floor and naked, with gunshot wounds to their heads.

68. During the attacks on kibbutz Kfar Aza, located about three kilometers from the Gaza perimeter fence, approximately 50 residents out of its population of around 700 were killed, when hundreds of militants entered the kibbutz, armed with military grade weaponry. Most killings were reported to have occurred in the 12 hours before the IDF were deployed to the area. Dozens of houses were burned. Fighting between militants and IDF forces in and around the kibbutz was reported to have ended only on 10 October, complicating the recovery of bodies. The mission team collected information from first responders who reported discovering bodies of women naked with their hands tied behind their backs and gunshot wounds to the head. While verification of sexual violence against these victims was not possible at this point, available circumstantial information – notably the recurring pattern of female victims found undressed, 18 bound, and shot – indicates that sexual violence, including potential sexualized torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, may have occurred


71. The mission team reviewed incidents of alleged sexual violence related to hostages in Gaza. Based on the first-hand accounts of released hostages, the mission team received clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment occurred against some women and children during their time in captivity and has reasonable grounds to believe that this violence may be ongoing.
Patten repeated the claims the IDF told her.
There was no investigation.

If you want this report to be taken seriously then you also need to support every other report on Israel/Palestine by the UN seriously.
Which means you have to agree Israel is apartheid and the occupation is illegal before this one is even discussed.

Do you agree that Israel is apartheid and the occupation is illegal, as reported by the UN?
 
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Pathetic how you deny everything inconvenient to you, just like the UN reports on Hamas rapists.
If you're quoting UN reports you have to admit that Israeli is apartheid and the occupation is illegal.
Admit that and we can discuss this UN report.
 
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Zionists.
Stop using that antisemitic trope and trying to claim all Jews are zionists.
The fact that they protest at synagogues and holocaust museums or burn attack Jewish owned businesses shows you and your kind don't see a difference.
 

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From the guy who is arguing this UN report is wrong.
Are you now claiming you don't support any UN report but this one?
We can look at that report and discuss it as soon as you agree UN reports are solid and should be acted upon.

Agree?
 
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Or that's what all the anti-semites claim. You could read the actual report but instead you simply rely on rando's tweets claiming it's fake.
I've read the report.

Are you willing to now say you agree with UN reports on Israel/Palestine or not?
If you don't agree with them, why are you posting about this one?

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What a wonderful human being he is. Exceptional.

But, the disgusting strategy of Zionism to make synagogues part of the mechanism of apartheid and ethnic cleansing should fill anyone with revulsion. Zionists are the real antisemites.
I am really trying to understand if you and Klatuu really believe this because it is really hard for me to believe that and rational being could. I do not mean criticizing Israel and condemning the deaths and violence etc.. it is the outlandish hyperbolic claims that that the 2 of you make.
 

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I am really trying to understand if you and Klatuu really believe this because it is really hard for me to believe that and rational being could. I do not mean criticizing Israel and condemning the deaths and violence etc.. it is the outlandish hyperbolic claims that that the 2 of you make.
Imagine how hard it will be for you to understand how many people really won't support genocide.
 
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